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1. vl+(OP)[view] [source] 2022-12-16 01:29:56
>Artists have all my sympathy.

Humans have my sympathy. We are literally at the brink of the multiple major industries being wiped out. What was only theoretical for the last 10-15 years started to happen right now.

In few short years most humans will not be able to find any employment because machine will be more efficient and cheaper. Society will transform beyond any previous transformations in history. Most likely it's going to be very rough. But we just argue that of course our specific jobs are going to stay.

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2. depole+b1[view] [source] 2022-12-16 01:37:17
>>vl+(OP)
You literally just did what the parent just argued against.
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3. gwbroo+v2[view] [source] 2022-12-16 01:46:40
>>vl+(OP)
If we take your vision at face value, what do you think should be done?
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4. vl+Q2[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 01:48:33
>>depole+b1
That is the point of my comment :) I argue that coming changes are underestimated, there is not enough awareness, and as such discussion and preparedness for them. I would rather have stable societal transition than hunger, riots, civil or world war.
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5. vl+O3[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 01:55:01
>>gwbroo+v2
Honestly, I don't know. I spent last few days thinking about all this more seriously than in the last 20 years.

Essentially we are going to get away from market economy, money, private property. The problem is that once these things go personal freedom goes as well. So either accept the inevitable totalitarian society, or something else? But what?

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6. Nursie+6d[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 02:51:54
>>vl+O3
This sort of thing was thought about 20 years ago in the story “manna” by Marshall Brain - https://marshallbrain.com/manna1

I have no idea how well it holds up to modern reading, but I found it interesting at the time.

He posits two outcomes - in the fictionalised US the ownership class owns more and more of everything, because automation and intelligence remove the need for workers and even most technicians over time. Everyone else is basically a prisoner given the minimum needed to maintain life.

Or we can become “socialist” in a sort of techno-utopian way, realising that the economy and our laws should work for us and that a post-labor society should be one in which humans are free from dependence on work rather than defined by it.

Does this latter one imply a total lack of freedom? It certainly implies dependence on the state, but for most people (more or less by definition) an equal share would be a better share than they can get now, and they would be free to pursue art or learning or just leisure.

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7. ElFitz+Tk[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 03:30:48
>>Nursie+6d
Thank you for that fascinating read!
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8. apatil+lx[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 04:50:23
>>gwbroo+v2
We should start having a conversation about what the new social contract will look like and when and how it should be phased in.
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