zlacker

> Outside of 'frameworks', I've tied projects to specific libraries that also were abandoned, and it's no better. Having every single query/dataaccess go through an abandoned library is not all that much different from an abandoned framework, imo.

Isn't it better to tie projects to specific libraries rather than frameworks because it should be easier to swap/replace a library than the whole framework ?

(Or is that OOP kool-aid I still taste ?)

>>johnch+(OP)
using an ORM "library" was just as problematic, because data access is something that gets fairly deep in to a project. Had we tied the project to, say, symphony, there would have been a better upgrade path (but that brought its own set of challenges). We adopted a few libraries instead of "a full framework" but when the libraries are abandoned... you still have a lot of work to refactor.

>>mgkims+v9
I believe we are talking about the same thing but I lack the experience of projects big/complicated enough to really grasp the difficulties.