Yes, the evaporating cools down the room, though I can't say I ever noticed it. In terms of energy efficiency compared to a dryer, it's much better in summer, and not much better in winter, though you get a humidifier as a freeby.
Yes, it's a chore, a full load takes about ten minutes to hang, and it's real boring work.
The dryer wears down clothing very quickly with friction.
Definitely not possible in the flat we live in during the winter unless we run a dehumidifier.
You are right about absolute/relative humidity, but our basement feels damper in winter than summer.
Heating doesn't remove water from the air, as you explained. But that's what people assume when they argue that "heating doesn't dry the air" as I've heard in the past. Using relative humidity is a good explanation.
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You can get a related effect with thermostats which raise and lower the house’s temperature over the day as air expands with increased temperature.
There are a lot of different buildings and climates where you will have problems hanging laundry indoors. It definitely can cause mould, it definitely is a health risk without paying extra for dehumidifiers. And dehumidifiers are not great for the environment either as well as costing extra.
So two good reasons to hang out rather than in.
Plus hanging laundry outdoors dries them much, much quicker too. They can be dry in 2 hours most of the time, compared to up to 2 days inside.
Cannot imagine additional longevity would be worth all the work of manually doing it.
You can simply delete them.
For this discussion is means that in London the indoor climate is livable, but terrible for trying clothes, while in Norway the indoor climate is nice and drying clothes indoors is helpful for adding humidity.
Then again, if I had the space, I would definitely dry them outside. Nothing beats the smell of clothes hung outside in the sun.
Radiant heat feels somewhat different than warm air, but if radiant heat from the radiators of a steam or water system is significant, would that not make them feel dryer? Our house has water radiators, and I do not notice the radiant heat from them.
I believe Retric's explanation is the correct one, given that human activity tends to increase the absolute humidity of interior air.
How does adding latent heat reduce the sensible heat? Are the clothes washed in very cold water?
I doubt Uniqlo clothes last five years while tumble dried. I hand dry the few t-shirts I own from them and after three years I wouldn’t wear them as anything else than bed wear.
It relies on the air not being saturated (and for real effectiveness, requires relatively low humidity). It's quite popular in dry climates in the form of a "swamp cooler".
When I used to wear business casual, I wore Next brand clothing and shirts/trousers looked the same to me even after years of drying and cleaning them. The part that starts showing wear is the fold in the collar, but that only happens a long time after I have gotten my $20 or $30 worth.
I am sure there are some visual differences between top tier clothes and what I wear, but I am okay with it as long as what I have looks clean and presentable.
That being said : I see what you mean. I grew up in France ( dryer don’t exists ) and it’s easy to dry stuff there. Except maybe in winter.
Now I’m in Louisiana… yeah, it’s humid. But if you put things in the sun it does dry super quick too.
Yes, and most of that drying happened outside. Also, moldy rooms and people having to deal with mold were a thing in the past.
You're not adding latent heat to a room, you're adding water, which when evaporating uses up the heat energy in the room which cools it down.
Look into how swamp chillers work.
Washing machines did not exist until recently either, but no one in this thread is advocating hand washing their clothes.
> That being said : I see what you mean. I grew up in France ( dryer don’t exists ) and it’s easy to dry stuff there. Except maybe in winter.
In the US dryers and washing machines are a set pair. If a washing machine is in a location then a dryer is there also unless someone went out of their way to only buy a washing machine. For example laundromats all have dryers as does any laundry room in an apartment complex or apartments with washing machines.
Do you not have space for a washing machine either? In many apartments in the US the dryer is stacked on top of the washing machine. It doesn't consume any additional space.
This conversation is about people being denied the right to do something, the reasons why they should have the right to do so are there to justify it. No one said people should not be able to wash their laundry by hand. It is probably because doing so is unobserved. That being said, it is also a much more challenging thing to advocate for. While hanging one's clothes is marginally more labour intensive, washing clothes by hands is much more labour intensive.
> In the US dryers and washing machines are a set pair.
I understand what you are getting to, but the presence of both does not imply that both receive the same level of use. For some people, the use of driers is purely seasonal. For others, it will only be used for large items or things that need to be dried quickly. As for the examples of laundromats and shared facilities, the complimentary pair is intended to attract customers (not to mention that hauling around wet clothes is a pain).
I used one for the first time when I was 30 something, that might be why.
Yes sometimes stuff don’t dry so well. Then hang them differently. Take advantage of the sun. Idk .
I caved in for the AC: the us climate is different, AC is needed. But for dryer I will stand my snobby European ground :p
It would not have fit in my first Parisian flat. ( to be fair… nothing was really fitting there )
Also when you rent a unfurnished place in France it’s empty-empty.
There is no frige/oven/washer/drier combo like in a US non-furnish rental.
In my personal case I saw a drier as yet another anoying piece of furniture I would have to deal with when moving
Just another n=1 anecdote.
I think this is either irrelevant, or inconsiderate if the point was to suggest "They should just be ok with this other thing I was ok with instead of what they want to do." without the excuse that what they want is somehow bad for everyone else. She's not raising chickens, and even the bit about the horrors of seeing "unmentionables" is ridiculous and deserves no consideration at all.
Maybe you are thinking about district heating? There are a few places in the world where the heat for an entire town comes from the same plant and is piped around. This is also called central heating which makes it confusing, thought district heating is the more correct term from what I can tell. I'm talking about a single heating system that handles the whole house, not a system that handles the whole town.
People use combo washer-dryers.
The answer to your question does not really matter, cause the topic the rest of us discuss is "should drying cloth outside be allowed".
I personally have a small attic apartment in Trondheim (Norway). It has bathroom floor heat and came with one wall panel: I actually just use one oil-filled electric radiator and keep a fairly cool bedroom. Wood heating is pretty common too - one of the scents of fall is the lighting of fireplaces.
That said, more central heating is starting to become popular in the form of heat pumps, but I honestly only know one person that has one - and they are on a farm in the countryside instead of here in the city.
In a smaller kitchen it’s more likely that the dishwasher will be sacrificed than the washing machine (since it can be replaced with a sink)