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Why would anybody expect that new hardware that has to be reverse engineered and for which no Linux drivers are provided to work out of the box as soon is it is available? It's an impossible expectation, and also one that no other OS would have a chance of fulfilling unless hardware vendors specifically catered to them.

It's like asking for a book review of a book that hasn't been published. Yes, other people have published reviews, but they got advance copies and a supplementary synopsis from the publisher six months ago.

>>pessim+(OP)
Windows users don't have to reverse engineer anything before their hardware works.

>>coryrc+E1
No shit. The hardware vendors do all the work for them.

>>coryrc+E1
that's because new hardware is made to work for windows. Few companies care about linux drivers

>>pessim+(OP)
>Why would anybody expect that new hardware that has to be reverse engineered and for which no Linux drivers are provided to work out of the box as soon is it is available?

The title of this post is "Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring".

>>pessim+d2
Users don’t care who did the work, they only care if the device functions or not.

>>matthe+Z2
Because that is there experience and has been my experience too. Except we can't predict when a user wants to go install a old disto with a 7 year old kernel and say "no it doesn't"

>>autoex+l2
Almost any hardware you get today will have standard components with Linux support. Can you give some more examples of which companies and what components you're referring to?

>>encryp+X5
There's a long list of devices that have problems with linux. The hardware I think I've seen the most complaints about are wifi/ethernet chipsets, printers/scanners, and spotty support for specific features like sensors, LED lights, and fan/cooling controls. Problems with video cards are far less common now than they used to be but I still see people having weird issues from time to time and sadly most of the firmware still contains closed source binary blobs.

>>pessim+(OP)
I don't expect it. Which is why I switched from buying Windows laptops to install Linux and now buy MacBooks where I can expect that absolutely everything will work on day one.

>>encryp+X5
RGB control is quite spotty. Finger print readers are almost entirely non functioning. Often webcams on brand new laptops do not work. Brightness control for OLED often doesn't work. Suspend and sleep still seems to be an issue, especially with something relating to "modern sleep" where the OS remains functional for things like internet access while sleeping.

I think largely these days people just plug less stuff in, printers, scanners, other odd gadgets are less common so its really just USB mass storage devices and video outputs getting physically plugged in. Otherwise everything else is controlled over wifi with a phone app.

>>Gigach+Es
I hate that kinda rhetoric. Everything.. c'mon..

>>coryrc+E1
>before their hardware works

Linux users don't have to either. (Linux devs do.) Another thing they don't have to do is searching vendor site for drivers which may not even be installed correctly.

>>Gigach+Es
My wife's Macbook can't even go to sleep when it's plugged into a Dell monitor via USB-C. The act of sleeping wakes it up, sounds a ding, then it goes idle and soon will sleep again.

My older Mac Mini can't do the HDMI handshake after booting. If the AV receiver isn't on when the computer boots, it will never use full display resolution or play audio over HDMI.

The idea that Apple products do anything "absolutely" is silly fanboyism.

>>yencab+x73
Not doubting that situation but its pretty rare. Currently use a Macbook for work and home use and can't list a single thing that doesn't work. Which is a first for me from a laptop.

>>forgot+641
It's very rare to have to search for drivers these days on Windows. Last time I had to do so a few years ago, it was for an old IrDA receiver - and I doubt many people these days even know what that is.

>>Gigach+g83
Did they at least add the ability to make the laptops not sleep when you close the lid without external display attached?

>>int_19+vc3
There are 3rd party apps that can make it do that. You just have to watch out for overheating since the fans vent out of the hinge.