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No it does not. Give it to me for 5’ and I will find at least 10 things that are broken. Energy management, monitor color profiles, external monitors, discrete gpu / integrated switching, Bluetooth, webcam settings all these are broken.

Stop defending the state of Linux in personal computing.

The best we can do is to put it in a VM and run it in a OS that has actual hardware support.

>>whatev+(OP)
I don't know, any hardware that I've used any big distro on (ubuntu, pop, manjaro) just worked out of the box instantly for all of these. On battery especially for many laptops I found better battery life on Linux since I could manually choose to disable dGPU. My problems come when I need to run windows specific tools like Altium.

>>whatev+(OP)
Can you name a kernel with more robust hardware support?

>>whatev+(OP)
They all work on mine. Maybe you've got a terrible laptop.

>>smolde+61
Windows for starters. Also the title claims that things work well not that linux is the best.

>>whatev+(OP)
> OS that has actual hardware support.

Give me 5' with such an OS and I will find at least 20 things which are broken.

>>CyberD+n2
Windows has pretty terrible hardware support IMO. Comparing the state of Linux Vs Windows on ARM/PowerPC/RISC-V, it's not even a contest.

I think there's a case to be made for the stability of Windows drivers (I should hope vendors don't half-ass support), but modern networking and storage drivers on Linux blow Microsoft's analogs out of the water.

>>Ashame+q2
And you can complete this task remotely...

>>smolde+61
There was a recent post about the Frame.work laptop now offering a ChromeOS version. The Linux container support in ChromeOS is excellent, and basically ChromeOS is optimized to work well with all laptops that it runs on.

>>smolde+L3
Which consumer laptops are there out there with Power or RISC-V chips?

>>smolde+L3
> PowerPC/RISC-V

The person you replied to didn't mention those and there aren't laptops with those CPUs anyway, so this is just goal post shifting nonsense.

> but modern networking and storage drivers on Linux blow Microsoft's analogs out of the water

I don't think that's true at all and you didn't link any evidence.

>>Ashame+q2
Indeed. I was surprised to install Windows on a two year old Thinkpad recently to use some proprietary hardware and ended up with more random issues than I'd have on Fedora.

Trackpoint sideways scrolling not working (works fine with libinput), inexplicably high power usage, wifi disconnects...

>>smolde+61
For my specific hardware (Framework laptop), the hardware is better supported on Windows. Lower battery consumption especially while the device is asleep, better handling of fractional display scaling, brightness keys on the keyboard are functional without needing to disable brightness sensor, etc. Most egregiously for a laptop, Fedora doesn't give any way to adjust the trackpad scroll speed (not sure if that's a kernel limitation tho)

>>Ashame+q2
Trivial nitpicking is not the same issue as hardware support.

>>whatev+(OP)
My experience with Windows on my laptop is that color profiles work out of the box, energy management is better on Linux, Bluetooth on Windows barely works and the webcam doesn't even need settings.

Nvidia crap works better on Windows (except for CUDA) and more settings have a GUI. Windows's fan profile can be switched between "VTOL takeoff" and "entirely silent but slow as hell". This includes all the firmware updates and driver updates I can find.

That's not necessarily a defence for Linux; Linux has rough edges if you need pretty much anything more than a browser and aren't technically inclined, in part because the online community can't help themselves from suggesting complex, out-of-date command line solutions for things that have had a GUI for a decade now. It's also inherently harder for enthusiasts to get system support than for a company with fulltime paid developers. That's an excuse for much of the poor experience but the end result is still not very attractive for many people.

It's more of an insult to the current state of Windows and its hardware partners. The Linux Foundation doesn't have contracts with its manufacturers and yet its hardware ecosystem is more stable than Windows 11. Whatever the hell Microsoft did to sleep mode is turning laptops into backpack heaters and that's honestly inexcusable.

>>whatev+(OP)
My gf windows laptop takes 25 min to be usable at boot time, same laptop runs well from a live fedora running from an sdcard.

>>whatev+(OP)
> Stop defending the state of Linux in personal computing.

You seem to be placing the blame with the OS itself instead on the poor stance that hardware vendors have towards releasing proper drivers. It's true that the ecosystem has its own problems, but hardware not being compatible out of the box is not one of them. That's something the can be blamed fully on the vendors in my opinion.

>>whatev+(OP)
the "my mum/grandma/grandpa asked me to reinstall their Windows" should be meme by now

>>jeroen+6e
>> Windows's fan profile can be switched between "VTOL takeoff" and "entirely silent but slow as hell".

ROFL

>>whatev+(OP)
Despite the issues it's the only OS that I'm willing to put up with because it respects the user. I'm not nagged to use <preferred browser> every day. I'm not nagged to login to some cloud junk. I don't have to look at a feed or "recommendations" (ads). The operating system doesn't have an advertising ID or spy on me.

>>marius+zf
As a Linux user it's important to understand that people don't care whose fault it is- they want to use their computer. I can respect that.

>>Klonoa+5d
It's odd how you can hear two people make the same vague statement about Linux and OSes that aren't Linux, and the statement about Linux registers to you as insightful while the one about Windows/MacOS registers as "trivial nitpicking."

>>2OEH8e+Rg
If one feels like they have an opinion to give on the matter I would imagine they invest at least a modicum of reflection on the subject.

>>jeroen+6e
> suggesting complex, out-of-date command line solutions for things that have had a GUI for a decade now.

I can help somebody on basically any Linux system with most problems they have, but I couldn't tell you how to do that in that particular GUI. Sure, it's not great, but it's what happens when everyone is free to use whichever GUI they want.

>>whatev+(OP)
You're right, but that doesn't mean it doesn't mostly just work.

All OSes have these issues. Windows and MacOS are no exception.

>>pessim+0i
Not particularly what happened here, no.

To be clear, the OP of this thread stated the following with regards to Linux:

>...Energy management, monitor color profiles, external monitors, discrete gpu / integrated switching, Bluetooth, webcam settings all these are broken...

These things are what is being discussed, and they are not broken on macOS and Windows. You could not easily find 20 of these things "broken" in 5 minutes on a random setup given to you.

Most Linux threads inevitably derail into people complaining that macOS/Windows don't work exactly how they want, and then go on to label those platforms as "broken". That is not "broken" though, and simply nitpicking. You can throw a rock on this site and find plenty of examples of it.

>>2OEH8e+Rg
This sounds sensible until you realize that "use the computer" on windows means to use it in the extremely restrictive way that microsoft has blessed.

>>topaz0+IM
What restrictions? You don't have the OS source code, but you can write device drivers, and you can use the computer any way you want to.

I don't like Windows, but that statement seems incorrect.

>>smolde+61
That's a bit of a non-sequitar. If you're trying to use it on a laptop it doesn't matter that it runs on phones and supercomputers as well.

>>theone+fP
Oh yeah? In Windows 11, try to put the taskbar on the top of your screen.

Try to uninstall Edge. Try to disable ALL of the tracking. Try to disable updates. Try to install it from scratch onto a computer without creating a Microsoft account. Try to remove all of the non-windows mandatory apps without a 3rd party software or a cheat code to run in powershell that you got from some website somewhere.

Windows is user-hostile because in order for it to maintain its business dominance it HAS to treat all of its users as if they are naturally stupid and technically challenged in order to ensure that the most people possible can use their software so that the most businesses will buy their software since their employees can use it.