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If anything, the reason there's such a controversy in the first place is that they've gotten far more attention than they wanted. This sort of activity is only possible while skulking in obscurity.

Damnatio memoriae is devastating to a public figure, but it is doing KiwiFarms a huge favor. It lets them scurry away under some new rock and keep going under a new name. The worst thing you could do is probably just shine the brightest spotlight you can find square at their activities.

There is a good reason we erect monuments and museums to atrocities. It's not for ease of rubbernecking, but so that we can learn and avoid them in the future.

>>margin+(OP)
This whole campaign has been damning for the folks trying to take down kiwifarms. All of the evidence of their bad past behavior that used to be confined to one obscure site is now plastered all over the internet, and millions of people know about it.

My personal semi-conspiracy theory on this is that the search warrant served on Keffals (no, not a SWAT call, a search warrant) contained some note that they got probable cause from evidence on a kiwifarms thread. Since then, Keffals has been running to countries with no extradition treaties to Canada and trying their hardest to erase that evidence from the internet under the guise of stopping suicides.

>>margin+(OP)
Evidence KF has tried to stay obscure?

>>0cVlTe+n1
Well there can't be evidence one way or the other now that they're off the wayback machine.

Although it does enhance my point, which is that Kiwi Farms benefits from this.

>>pclmul+01
the problem is no one wants to look at the truth anymore, they were sold a narrative by a corrupt media and any attempts to inject truth or principle in the conversation are just shut down with screams of "phobe" or "ist" name calling

>>margin+(OP)
If it was doing Kiwifarms a huge favour, I don't think it would be celebrated by the people most determined to destroy it.

>>vinter+y3
Wouldn't be the first time someone had celebrated winning a shortsighted battle at the expense of ultimately harming their own cause.

>>pclmul+01
This doesn’t really hold up to logic, at least as written.

If the note references probable cause from a thread and the evidence is on kf, wouldn’t the authorities already have that evidence or be able to get a search warrant for it? Why would they search someone’s house for it?

>>margin+z2
It's silly. If Kiwifarms benefits from and wanted this, try telling it to those people on Twitter, or to admins and moderators on Reddit, where even talking about Kiwifarms could get you banned, much less linking to it.

If you try to convince them, likely you would get an unbelievable amount of negative online attention sent your way. Ironically the same thing they hate Kiwifarms for.

>>margin+z2
Though off archive.org, KF is still available via some routes like tor.

>>antite+Q4
Probable cause is not enough evidence to convict someone, but enough to conduct a further search to see if there is enough evidence for a conviction. See here (although this is US-focused, many other states have similar ideas): https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-rights/probable-ca...

Basically, they had the allegations and enough substantiating evidence to go to the point of looking for more evidence, but not to get all the way to an arrest/conviction. A search warrant is the next step.

EDIT: Also, the police have most likely downloaded the information, but you never know.

>>vinter+l5
As an aside, I've noticed a common and extremely effective strategy frequently used by the alt right and other fringe ideological groups (not just in American politics but also in Europe and basically everywhere) is to first stir up a big stinky controversy, wait for the predictable social media overreaction, and then to just withdraw and completely refuse to engage, making their critics look like a bunch of lunatics raving at windmills (because the over-reaction is a hundred times much more public than the controversy), while also keeping the critics on their back foot, always reacting rather than acting on their own terms.

In practice: The abstract entity KiwiFarms takes all the shit, very few of the people actually constituting its membership seem to take much flak; meanwhile its critics look completely unhinged, even though they're absolutely right and KF is incredibly reprehensible, they still do their best to undermine the credibility of their own cause by acting and behaving like a frothing at the mouth lynch mob much more interested in power-tripping and revenge than truth and justice.

The strategy is straight out of Sun Tzu on how to deal with a stronger army, and I haven't really seen any examples of anyone handling it well.

>>pclmul+01
She has run to one country, the United Kingdom, which surprisingly doesn't have an extradition treaty with Canada, but which is mentioned specifically as a country that will extradite to Canada on this [https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/cj-jp/emla-eej/bycan-parcan.ht...] Canada government website.

>>a_shov+me
Very few countries, even without an extradition treaty, will refuse to extradite someone over prurient contact with minors. However, there will still be hearings and lots of legal process to fight the extradition - a lot more than if there were a treaty.

>>pclmul+01
If you want a real conspiracy theory, recall that original and long-running KF thread subject Christine Weston Chandler was persuaded to incestuously assault her mother by a person named Isabella Janke. Kiwi Farms uncovered Isabella's history with Christine, and extensively documented her online activities to include allegations of extortion, CASM, and animal abuse:

https://archive.ph/3Ev0l

Now consider that Isabella's father Mike Janke is a former Navy SEAL who has a professional relationship with Matthew Prince, Cloudflare CEO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1wio7sDDBA

These records have been wiped from the Internet Archive. I wonder how long they will remain on archive.ph.

>>margin+3c
I can't see this "withdraw and completely refuse to engage" thing. They're not organized enough to employ any kind of Sun Tzu thing. The "strategy" is chosen by default because they aren't allowed to engage, in most places. Even if you try to just report what they are saying, not even endorsing it, you get removed in most places.

>>vinter+IP1
May very well just be selection. The strategy is prevalent because it works, not through the machinations of some machivellian mastermind but because other strategies don't work.