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1. rich_s+(OP)[view] [source] 2022-05-17 16:26:14
Very interesting - what is there specifically about being a criminal defence attorney that makes you district FaceID? Data sharing issues? Securing personal / work data?

I’m not disagreeing, I’m very wary of these mechanisms, just curious about your thought process.

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2. binkHN+b4[view] [source] 2022-05-17 16:42:55
>>rich_s+(OP)
IANAL, but you might be compelled to give up a fingerprint, face or other biometric access options; you cannot be compelled to give up a passphrase or something stored in your mind.
3. daemin+O4[view] [source] 2022-05-17 16:45:51
>>rich_s+(OP)
Not OP but from various laws around the world Police can generally use something physical to unlock your device - your face, your thumb - but they cannot get you to put in your password or pass code without a warrant.

Granted this kind of breaks down at borders where they have special laws, but for inside various countries it still holds.

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4. skylan+x5[view] [source] 2022-05-17 16:49:09
>>rich_s+(OP)
> In a 2014 case out of a Virginia state court that seems to have set off the current debate, police obtained a search warrant to search a suspect’s home and to seize various items, including his smartphone that had TouchID enabled.

> The judge in that case drew a bright line: Under the Fifth Amendment, police could not force the suspect to communicate his passcode, but they could force him to use his fingerprint to unlock the device. The reason?

> Providing a fingerprint was “non-testimonial,” because it did not require the suspect to produce anything from his own mind. On the other hand, to give up your personal passcode is classically testimonial, since it comes from your head.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/privacy-technology/surveillance-te...

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5. easton+M8[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-17 17:03:01
>>skylan+x5
Which is why Apple put in a kill switch for Face ID (or Touch ID), if you hold down the power button (or power and volume down for newer iPhones) until the “Slide to Power Off” screen appears, the next unlock will require your passcode.
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6. macint+Gc[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-17 17:23:31
>>easton+M8
Additionally, just because a phone has Face ID doesn’t mean you’re obligated to configure it.
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7. eroppl+6j[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-17 17:53:24
>>daemin+O4
You don't have to enable FaceID, though.
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8. scarfa+Fv[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-17 18:55:56
>>skylan+x5
Because we all know that police always operate within the law and would never lie about coercing a suspect to unlock their phone.

Or, if they really wanted the phone unlocked, they could just follow the suspect and tackle him while he is using it.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/12/uk-police-unlock...

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9. scarfa+Pv[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-17 18:56:39
>>daemin+O4
And in various places around the world, police use rubber hose decryption…
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10. daemin+Oe1[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-18 00:11:46
>>scarfa+Pv
Well yeah, if you're on the street in Russia and the police in full military gear ask you to unlock your phone, I'd like to say I would resist and decline but I doubt it.
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