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submitted by neilpa+(OP) on 2022-03-04 17:21:25 | 355 points 171 comments
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10. neilpa+he[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-03-04 18:25:05
>>ainar-+rd
Greek is on the way (last pic on the blog post) and more to come soon: https://neil.computer/notes/berkeley-mono-february-update/

Current support:

  ISO 8859-1 Latin-1 Western European
  ISO 8859-2 Latin-2 Central European
  ISO 8859-3 Latin-3 South European
  ISO 8859-4 Latin-4 North European
  ISO 8859-9 Latin-5 Turkish
  ISO 8859-10 Latin-6 Nordic
  ISO 8859-13 Latin-7 Baltic Rim
  ISO 8859-15 Latin-9 Finnish, Estonian
  ISO 8859-16 Latin-10 South-Eastern European
16. flobos+8g[view] [source] 2022-03-04 18:33:47
>>neilpa+(OP)
What a great marketing page. I loved the animation!

I’m also a big fan of the design of the author’s website: https://neil.computer/

17. woodru+sg[view] [source] 2022-03-04 18:34:55
>>neilpa+(OP)
This looks very nice. I've used Latin Modern Mono[1] as my monospace font for a decade, but this is seriously making my consider a switch!

[1]: https://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/latin-modern-mono

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37. neilpa+9k[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-03-04 18:53:49
>>cschmi+Lj
Here is some Python, but no {}: https://neil.computer/notes/berkeley-mono-february-update/#b...

I'll plan for a nice page with various languages and full page screenshots.

Edit: Fixed link, thanks.

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38. poyu+Qk[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-03-04 18:58:23
>>rytill+Si
Inspecting the page in the Inspector shows that it's using the Univers[1] font

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Univers

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46. flobos+Em[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-03-04 19:05:29
>>neilpa+9k
Here’s an alternative link: https://neil.computer/notes/berkeley-mono-february-update/#b...
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52. hurric+yn[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-03-04 19:11:03
>>minima+X2
A font snob wouldn’t ask this question :)

But I’m glad you asked. Learn about how font characters are structured[0]. Then zoom in, inspect and compare the details of a few characters from both fonts. This will help you understand how they’re different.

[0] https://www.fonts.com/content/learning/fontology/level-1/typ...

79. Chikka+Tx[view] [source] 2022-03-04 20:03:01
>>neilpa+(OP)
Very derivative of OCR B by Frutiger. A shame it doesn't come out and say that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OCR-B

Looks great, otherwise!

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81. neilpa+Ay[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-03-04 20:06:20
>>duped+Yv
Print licensing is very standard and used by the majority of the font fountries with exception of Lineto and a few others. For example, buy 1 seat (1 designer) and that designer can make unlimited print products as long as they have the seat to use it. It is based on installation on a computer that is used to develop the print materials. Some font fountries prevent the use of embedding fonts in the distributed media (such as PDFs).

Where I made an explicit exception in the license is for developers using the typeface in IDEs, and using it in professional context. Also check input mono license which is where I got the inspiration from: https://input.djr.com/license/

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82. neilpa+wz[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-03-04 20:09:57
>>mrweas+rt
Send me an email[1] and I can send you a beta copy to try out. IMO the picture doesn't do the justice (it is not like the way you describe it at all), but I am seriously considering creating a specific license for a trial + font cut that is missing a few glyphs. That's going to take some time. Here is some feedback from this thread :) : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30559060

Of course, I use it daily for writing code but I am biased :)

[1] neil@berkeleygraphics.com

83. teknop+oA[view] [source] 2022-03-04 20:12:37
>>neilpa+(OP)
If you look at the Burgevouns comparison Berkley mono is the least good. It's compared to non-mono fonts which, naturally, have better kerning. Having three different representations of the number 0 including one that is indistinguishable from upper case o makes this a no-no for coding from my point of view. It's one of the first things I look for and why I love Hack.

https://sourcefoundry.org/hack/

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90. cormul+BF[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-03-04 20:33:10
>>sp332+Iw
5 or 6 is usual, there are 7s too

https://github.com/cormullion/know-your-fonts/blob/master/as...

96. 37ef_c+jI[view] [source] 2022-03-04 20:46:38
>>neilpa+(OP)
I use the Go font:

https://go.dev/blog/go-fonts

Free and beautiful.

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98. neilpa+1K[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-03-04 20:54:10
>>Chikka+Tx
The comparison with OCR-B is on the website, here is a detailed view: https://berkeleygraphics.com/static/images/marketing/unique-...
104. liquid+6N[view] [source] 2022-03-04 21:08:23
>>neilpa+(OP)
The Zero and capital "O" look quite similar to my eye: https://berkeleygraphics.com/static/images/marketing/code-sy...

I doubt that this amount of work overlooked such a common programming font comparison. Any idea why they made them nearly identical?

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109. neilpa+6O[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-03-04 21:13:50
>>liquid+6N
There are 4 versions of zero glyph, I need to fix the comparison image though. It should be showing zero with a dot.

Edit: Fixed. Thank you!

https://berkeleygraphics.com/static/images/marketing/code-sy...

113. lidavi+qQ[view] [source] 2022-03-04 21:25:58
>>neilpa+(OP)
This may be a dumb question, but how do you make a document like that fake patient chart in this demo? [1]

Is there an editor that can do things like this? Or is it all laid out by hand?

[1] https://neil.computer/notes/berkeley-mono-february-update/

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120. neilpa+eV[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-03-04 21:52:42
>>lidavi+qQ
Yes, done by hand, a lot of elbow grease. Same with the animation which took an insane amount of time (700 frames). Shout out to MonoDraw (Berkeley Mono works wonderfully with it): https://monodraw.helftone.com/
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124. bduers+2W[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-03-04 21:57:14
>>lidavi+qQ
Not saying this is what they used for this demo, but Crystal Reports is commonly used in the medical industry for print/reporting like that:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_Reports#/media/File:SA...

(if that is what you were asking)

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125. woodru+8W[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-03-04 21:58:05
>>qbasic+xq
The historical origin that I learned for UNIX was that it was created mostly out of frustration with Multics, and that its original "primary" use was running one of Ken Thompson's video games[1]. It was originally written for a PDP-7, which was already obsolete at the time and probably wasn't a target for telecommunications software.

It was only much later (and after significant arm twisting for more computing resources) that AT&T took UNIX seriously. Even then, the first marketed versions of UNIX were oriented towards programmers and technical editors, not telecommunication[2].

[1]: https://www.bell-labs.com/usr/dmr/www/hist.pdf

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PWB/UNIX

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131. neilpa+p11[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-03-04 22:30:35
>>alecbz+iQ
We offer downloads of pre-configured stylistic sets (variations). All you need to do is download the specific version and install it. In applications such as Adobe Illustrator, you can select the variant using Open Type features: https://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/using/special-characters...
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135. neilpa+H61[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-03-04 23:03:41
>>raegis+551
iTerm (on macOS): https://berkeleygraphics-public.s3.amazonaws.com/static/imag...

I don't have a linux desktop handy, I'll create a full suite of screenshots in various environments and languages to post on the website.

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138. murphy+Ib1[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-03-04 23:41:51
>>farley+qn
One downside of futurefonts.xyz is that each font comes with a different license. Bit of a headache to keep track of the individual Terms & Conditions as a typical user who might want to use a couple of fonts in a project. Really wish that fonts were sold under more standardized commercial licenses.

At least with many open & free fonts, the SIL Open Font License is practically the standard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIL_Open_Font_License

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139. josefr+If1[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-03-05 00:11:01
>>armadi+Te
MonoLisa has a playground where you can paste code snippets and try the font - that might be a good approach for other fonts aimed at developers. https://www.monolisa.dev/playground

[I am not affiliated with MonoLisa]

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144. lghh+Ou1[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-03-05 02:03:14
>>josefr+If1
MonoLisa also has a trial version. [1] They have a great site, I love the font, and the availability of a free trial was the icing on the cake. Great experience all around.

https://www.monolisa.dev/buy/661578

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157. ocelik+nh2[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-03-05 10:53:09
>>ismail+Cg2
Merhaba :) they are visible in this image [1], so I assume they are supported, but I sadly don't have the font myself to try it out.

[1] https://neil.computer/content/images/size/w1600/2022/02/berk...

161. chaz6+cL4[view] [source] 2022-03-06 08:01:50
>>neilpa+(OP)
I enquired and I was told in no uncertain terms that the license forbids patching. This means that you cannot use the popular Nerd Fonts [1] patch set for adding missing glyphs. I hope that will change as I would like to use this typeface.

[1] https://www.nerdfonts.com/

170. neilpa+1Mi[view] [source] 2022-03-10 17:34:26
>>neilpa+(OP)
Berkeley Mono Trial version is now available: https://berkeleygraphics.com/typefaces/berkeley-mono
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