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1. jodrel+(OP)[view] [source] 2022-01-29 19:49:06
This is so often said, and so bloody ridiculous a state of affairs for the information technology industry.

How hard would it be to have a shared todo list where the team can put every blocking question which needs answering, and everyone who needs to answer can either do that or delegate the decision or approve skipping it? (And I don't mean a sluggish Jira / Electron / Teams / helpdesk which needs 50,000 fields entered to raise a ticket, either).

I suspect it isn't done because nobody can usefully make all the decisions which other people want to push off onto other people, it would take inhuman amounts of time and attention. And that part of the reason "answering only the first question" happens is to drop most questions on the floor, with the idea that important ones will be raised again, as a way to filter out the huge number of unimportant questions. And as a way to deal with the fact that answering one question can change all subsequent questions - if the answer is "that's waiting on finance approval" then it might be about to have a budget cut, or be cancelled, or be delayed until a new financial year, and answering other questions is a waste of time.

Still, for when the other questions are needed, it should be something computer people, programmers, IT specialists, can have machines keep track of without absolutely awful interfaces - and maybe involving automated email and replies if needed, like forum posts and newsgroups have had for decades.

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2. XorNot+r4[view] [source] 2022-01-29 20:21:35
>>jodrel+(OP)
You've sort of hit on the missing interface in both email and (in my experience) pull requests: I need a system to keep track of the list of things I want to send, but keep it private to me so as it's dealt with by the other party, the next item goes out.

(for PRs its the joy of having a sequence of dependent changes, and needing to make sure people review them step by step even though the whole packet is done).

3. lazide+Fc[view] [source] 2022-01-29 21:12:15
>>jodrel+(OP)
You can’t solve a lack of executive function/decision making capacity (which is what we’re referring to) by making more work/queuing up bullshit work. It will result in everyone just ignoring anything that smells like coming from such a system.

Since (almost) no one wants to admit they don’t have enough decision making capacity or can’t prioritize using it for whatever you’re asking (at least now a days it seems, since someone will post them saying they don’t care on social media and they’ll get fired), you will often see defacto rate limiting or pushback in other ways.

Common ways you’ll see in real life:

- only responding to the one item they want to respond to.

- ever increasing delays in responses or ‘missed emails’ (when you try again they’ll respond)

- half responses which don’t actually address the problem or answer your question (but are easy to generate).

- redirection to another - hard to reach - authority even if not appropriate (as they aren’t spending the time to figure out what your actual question is)

- straw manning your question/request as something else they already have an answer to and then answering that.

- adding your question/request to a backlog they aren’t responsible for and then ignoring it forever since it’s now ‘on the list’

- making up increasingly more complicated paperwork/procedure hoops with increasingly less pleasant user experiences

And many more. For non-decision making backlogs/overloads, there are also the

- ‘decades long queue’ method of shedding load like the old eastern bloc (and some healthcare systems)

- ‘you need a permit’ (but there is no actual perform form)

-‘we only work during (impossible hours here)’ etc.

It all boils down to they can’t care enough to get you want you want, so you either have to make them care (which will be met with generally well earned hostility), or find a way to get them to care (which may be impossible). In many countries, getting someone to care requires a bribe.

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4. yesena+gx[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-01-29 23:38:34
>>lazide+Fc
I'd read every comment on the page, but when I got down to your bullet points, don't know why but my eyes glazed over and I stopped reading anything, and just started scrolling quickly down the page. Then I realized the irony of this happening in a thread about ignoring bullet points!
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5. spookt+5y[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-01-29 23:44:41
>>lazide+Fc
Oh man those bullet points hit home. I think I’ve done all of them at some point!
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6. s58065+9R1[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-01-30 13:10:49
>>lazide+Fc
Sometimes the other party will happily oblige with your request, but only after a totally vacuous phone call that serves absolutely no purpose other than (i) signalling how much effort the other party is spending on you (ii) punishing you with synchronous communication so as to limit your potential request rate.
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7. lazide+nOc[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-02-02 15:33:02
>>s58065+9R1
Wonderful! On reflection a bit on these, I also wonder if it’s a type of demand for payment from the other party too - a ‘give me an ego boost/social capital payment, and I’ll pay attention to your request’ type thing. A bribe with your time and discomfort maybe?
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8. lazide+MOc[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-02-02 15:34:25
>>yesena+gx
Haha, amen.

Near as I can tell, we’ve all been deluding ourselves about our own human natures too. Nearly everyone is exhausted and on the edge of burnout.

It causes predictable behaviors in everyone. Trying harder to make it not true just makes the inevitable reckoning worse.

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