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United States v. Microsoft was 20 years ago. Is there nobody left at Microsoft who remembers that?

>>jagger+(OP)
avg tech turnover is 1.5 years, it's likely...

>>jagger+(OP)
Apple's default web browser is Safari on iOS and no one ever sued Apple over it.

At some point, you have to just recognize that the world is different today. The general market has accepted walled garden OSes with anti-competitive behavior towards common applications.

>>jagger+(OP)
I've heard a rumour that the Microsoft anti trust actions in the states were more a proxy war to get Microsoft to play nice with the federal government wrt 'lawful intercept'.

>>dragon+v2
They've changed it. I have Brave set as my default, for instance, and can change apps to tell them which one to open.

>>jarekl+82
Microsoft has much lower turnover than that.

>>dorcha+c5
IIRC, all web browsers on iOS are using the Safari rendering engine though.

So its still Safari underneath it all. Much like how Internet Explorer / Edge on Windows is really just a Chrome renderer / frontend these days.

EDIT: And since Google is in charge of the Chrome renderer, Microsoft absolutely has less control over internet-APIs / Javascript APIs / CSS details than say... Apple or Google does. Which is the "monopoly" bit that we're really worried about.

When you consider which company "controls the web", its Google or Apple. Microsoft really doesn't have much control of it.

>>jagger+(OP)
They remember they still made banks after that and their accountant laughed it out.

>>dorcha+c5
Brave is your browser UI. The rendering engine underneath is Safari, as it is with all browsers on iPhone/iPad. The version of Safari is slightly hobbled from the main one, though far less so than it used to be when Apple kept all browsers using a severely hobbled rendering engine making them much slower than Safari proper.

>>dragon+C7
With the new Edge they're giving themselves a boost. They probably won't catch up to Chrome so easily but will have more to say about the underlying engine in a few years time.

>>jagger+(OP)
They remember the actual outcome. They lost the case but the Bush Administration chose to not really enforce any significant penalties. End result was very little cost to Microsoft. They did change their practices for awhile but have slowly crept back to the same lockin.

When Apple does similar things everyone praises them for it.

>>jagger+(OP)
Microsoft probably knows that governments have turned their attention to apple, google and facebook these days.

>>dragon+v2
> Apple's default web browser is Safari on iOS and no one ever sued Apple over it.

Apple doesn't have that kind of market share to warrant it. Tangentially, Apple products are aspirational, so they never won't have it, that would lose the appeal. Microsoft, on the other hand, pushes their products every way imaginable, and many of their users use them because they have to.

>>vetina+pK
That's a weak argument. Apple is about 50% of the smartphone market in the US alone.

If you're looking for reasoning/justification behind why Apple got away with something like this, blame the government agencies for not doing their jobs.

IMO, it's slightly unfair that Microsoft got hit with that lawsuit back in the day. They 100% deserved it, but it put them at a disadvantage some years later against all of the other monopolists in the tech industry who were not being scrutinized for doing the exact same (and worse) things.