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1. BlueTe+(OP)[view] [source] 2021-04-04 20:27:52
The new official French AZERTY standard is pretty good too :

http://norme-azerty.fr/en/

Hopefully the various administrations will start to push it to replace old keyboards...

There's also a BÉPO version, which would have been even better, but I guess that would be too much inertia to fight?

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2. airstr+F[view] [source] 2021-04-04 20:35:23
>>BlueTe+(OP)
Seems weird to have specific keys for à é è when you could just combine them e.g. '+a '+e as is the case in the US international keyboards. Ditto for ç
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3. BlueTe+a3[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-04-04 20:58:02
>>airstr+F
That's because those are extremely common in French.

Also why ç was moved to C, since it's much less common.

And now since you can do both of these methods, you can finally write upper case properly in French on Windows !

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4. leoc+A6[view] [source] 2021-04-04 21:24:59
>>BlueTe+(OP)
It seems impressive in general. But are users still going to be stuck with the awful pox that is an important hold-to-use modifier key, Alt Gr, that appears on only one side of the spacebar? All this statistical analysis and the result is another layout which is deeply incompatible with proper touch-typing?
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5. BlueTe+s7[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-04-04 21:33:17
>>leoc+A6
Well, that would require even more radical keyboard layout changes I guess ?

And I assume that less common characters have been put there ?

But I assume that you're talking about {}, which some programmers use quite frequently, and which are still locked behind AltGr, though in a better position than before?

(Also, there's always Alt+Ctrl, though it's certainly not ideal either...)

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6. leoc+P8[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-04-04 21:47:41
>>BlueTe+s7
I'm talking about the fact that there's only one Alt Gr, on the right of the spacebar, but many characters behind an Alt Gr modifier on the right-hand side of the keyboard. You can't type any of those characters using the correct form for touch-typing, which is to hold the modifier key with one hand while pressing the letter key with the other.
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7. leoc+mm[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-04-05 00:04:02
>>leoc+P8
(Ctrl+Alt is a lot better than nothing, but it more or less forces you to move your hand off the home row, which is pretty undesirable.)
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8. 1996+Wt[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-04-05 01:25:01
>>BlueTe+a3
I have friends in Europe, and they told me there is ZERO commercial availability: they can't pay Dell, Lenovo, HP ... to get desktops or laptops with that layout.

Can you confirm?

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9. BlueTe+Nv1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-04-05 13:04:44
>>1996+Wt
Not strictly zero :

https://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00279741.html

Also I think that Cherry made some ?

But of course, until the State will start enforcing the norm, it will remain an amateur-only thing.

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