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1. SpicyL+(OP)[view] [source] 2021-03-29 00:47:37
You're not wrong, but the key insight is that one key technique for careful wording is "clamming up".

Personal example. A friend mentioned that a new hire at her work didn't have to go through as much interview training as her, and she was wondering if she should take offense. If she were a guy, I would have said something along the lines of "come on, 'amount of interview training' isn't a real status marker, you're getting worked up over nothing". But I strive to be an effective communicator, so I couldn't just bluntly refute her feelings like that; it'd sound like I'm denying the very real ways that women can be subtly mistreated in the workplace. Instead I clammed up, and she ended up deciding to file an HR complaint, which is unlikely to have a positive impact on her career.

Is there any way I could have told her what I thought without being misunderstood? Sure, maybe, if we'd had 30 minutes to sit down and talk about a bunch of abstract principles. Is there a strategy that would have fit inside the 30 seconds of conversation we had on the topic? I don't think so.

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2. A4ET8a+b5[view] [source] 2021-03-29 01:37:41
>>SpicyL+(OP)
I am unsure. I would say maybe if there is a lot of trust there. I offered candid responses before with mixed results. I did get into minor trouble but nothing horrible. Looking back at the experiences though, I still think twice before responding and I am a very talkative person.. In short, I am not sure you could have helped her there. Frankly, the person, whose first reaction is running to HR is not likely to be my best friend.
3. imtrin+Jy[view] [source] 2021-03-29 07:43:24
>>SpicyL+(OP)
Create a fake female role model employee that was previously at the company. Talk about how that role model was successful despite challenges X and Y because she did Z.

Of course the problem with this is that the facade will crumble at some point because the person doesn't exist.

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4. cutemo+JZ[view] [source] 2021-03-29 12:00:14
>>SpicyL+(OP)
> Is there a strategy that would have fit inside the 30 seconds of conversation

What about: "I personally wouldn't have cared about that." -- then you didn't say what you thought she should do, instead just what you yourself would (not) have done.

And she could have used that as a data point when making her own decision.

And, optionally continue with: "you got more education than X, I wonder if that might as well mean that the company decided to invest more money in you, maybe a good thing for you. Maybe X could have filed a complaint about that as well"

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5. nitrog+032[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-03-29 16:35:04
>>imtrin+Jy
Someone I know got their career start as a janitor. Their first boss would teach technique by saying things like, "We used to have this guy, he mopped the floor like this (demonstrating), can you believe that? I do this now."
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