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Can you go a day without the Internet? How about two days?

Sadly without this tracking, the engines of the ad economy come to a stop. We have royally ducked up the ecosystem to the point where there's no fixing it. Ever. Even laws such as GDRP won't cut it, Facebook & co. are happy to flout the rules since paying the fines is worth the cost of breaking the rules.

In the case of Google ad money vs Content marketing economy, it really is a case where the chicken came before the egg.

>>freebu+(OP)
This seems to imply that without ad revenue, the internet would not exist. But plenty of sites existed and still exist without the support of ad revenue. The price to host a static site is lower than it's ever been (and for sites that provide free hosting, the cost of providing that service is lower than it's ever been). If something like YouTube couldn't exist without ads, then so be it: let them move to a subscription model. There is nothing that says that we must be forced to tolerate ads in exchange for the internet, let alone ads that intentionally obliterate the human right to privacy.

>>kibwen+m8
Okay. Allow me to rephrase it. Knowing what you know about these products, can you live without Google, Youtube, Gmail for a day? This is what I refer to above when I say 'the Internet'. I reckon most people can't go a week.

>>kibwen+m8
Ads also existed before user tracking. Google and Facebook both seem to conveniently forget this fact.

>>freebu+(OP)
> Can you go a day without the Internet? How about two days?

Yes.

> Sadly without this tracking, the engines of the ad economy come to a stop.

One more reason to eliminate tracking.

>>kibwen+m8
Large parts of what you know today as the Internet are ad-funded as opposed to user/donation funded. Without this ad revenue being available to the web, not so many websites and applications would have been born.

Youtube did not even think of charging premium so many years after launching as a free service.

Do you think they would have been that successfully were it not for the user base aka free eye-balls?

> There is nothing that says that we must be forced to tolerate ads in exchange for the internet

While true but this is the way the game and the field has been setup. Same thing that explains why you see ads on even on paid devices. Why be content with 5$, when you know you can shake 6$ from a customer?

I am for privacy. Believe me. But this battle is not winnable when you make up 5% of the sober group and the rest are happy and drunk in love with Clubhouse or whatever new social media drug that is the rage.

>>freebu+8b
> can you live without Google, Youtube, Gmail for a day?

Without bug problems. Migrating away from Gmail would allow me to de it indefinitely.

>>matkon+eh
I'm also locked in Gmail, among a couple other useful not so easily replaceable products from Google.

>>freebu+8b
Absolutely? I know I’m atypical for an internet user, but apart from YouTube I rarely use Google products, and YouTube is a nice-to-have, not a necessity.

>>freebu+1h
Vimeo was working the paid angle around the time that Youtube launched, and it wasn't under water. Youtube was successful because they _purposefully_ (and so, criminally) refused to take down copyrighted content because they were aiming to grow fast enough and large enough to be purchased by Google.

It's not just Youtube/Vimeo; for instance, Flickr was a premium paid service around the time that Facebook launched, and it wasn't under water, either.

These "freemium" services were able to act as _hideously unprofitable_ loss leaders for the large advertisement firms, and so take down the non-advertisement-funded competition.

It was predatorial monopolistic practices that gave us the current web.

>>freebu+(OP)
Yes. All I really need are Wikipedia, HN, and Python.org and few other programming sites. I don't mind shelling out a few dollars to support them either.

>>freebu+8b
> can you live without Google, Youtube, Gmail for a day?

The only one of those I ever interact with on purpose is Youtube, only via youtube-dl, and only because other people refuse to use reasonable means of distributing video content (eg bittorrent).

>>freebu+(OP)
> Sadly without this tracking, the engines of the ad economy come to a stop.

Good. The sooner that happens, the sooner people start building alternatives out of necessity.

>>freebu+(OP)
> Sadly without this tracking, the engines of the ad economy come to a stop

Two for the price of one? No tracking, no ads? Sign me up.

>>freebu+8b
The only reason i cant is because my work email is gmail