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Why did everyone brush over the Italians finding it in blood samples from September 19, 2 months before the outbreak in Wuhan?

Certain actors have a narrative they would like to push.

>>quandr+(OP)
There is also mounting evidence that the virus was in France in November.

Now, it still most likely came from China but this adds to the reasonable suggestion that the Wuhan market was simply the first large outbreak but not near the origin of the virus.

My 2c is that the virus will be found (if we do find its origin) to come from a rural area in Southern China.

>>mytail+e5
Preface: This is rumor, although one that would require extreme cleverness and coordination to fake.

A US intelligence contractor that collects location data from apps on phones made a presentation that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was shut down from October 7 to 24, 2019. This was reported in the popular US press [1]. You probably missed that in the nightmare flood of last year. I did when it was first reported...

Thus far, the earliest-detected SARS-CoV-2 in the EU has been in November. I would bet that no evidence is ever found for it globally before late October, 2019. We may look for a long time.

[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/report-sa...

>>eggie+U8
I think it would be very useful to stop sharing FUD articles ("rumors"...) at this point...

>>quandr+(OP)
Yeah, but the story about covid19 being in europe in October 2019 always seems implausible to me:

Recall how much the situation changed in 2020 between the beginning of January and the end of March...

Even if we just had an handful of cases at the beginning of October, by the end of December we would have got massive clusters of cases, tens of thousands of people hospitalized with the same symptoms

And then suddenly, when we started to look for it in January/February, we found only a few clusters and the disease grew (again?) From almost nothing

Covid19 is not something that you can keep hidden:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-...

>>mytail+C9
A agree that the evidence in that one from phone locations was very weak to the extent that it's better to ignore it.

>>mytail+e5
I think that's quite reasonable.

I was disappointed that having looked at evidence of early spread in France and Italy through wastewater samples and patient blood samples that the Chinese response instead of doing similar research was to say all wastewater samples have been chucked and looking at blood samples is illegal.

The cynic in me perhaps asks why they would do that.

>>quandr+(OP)
11% having antibodies in September seems implausible. There would have been a major outbreak to get those numbers. It's more likely false positives on the test.