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I found this quite convincing:

https://project-evidence.github.io/

Summary (IIRC): The most likely explanation of its origins is a person who collected bats for a lab in Wuhan contracted the disease in the cave where bats were collected.

>>hayst4+(OP)
that ignores the finding of Covid in September 2019 in Italy, which would make connection to Wuhan lab questionable

>>saiya-+7z
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN27W1J2

Very interesting. Does that mean Covid was in Europe 3 months before the supposed patient zero in Wuhan (December 8?)

>>saiya-+7z
Almost certainly a false positive. You can't have a virus propagating with a R0 of 2-4 and a cycle of ~1 week start in September 2019 yet have almost no cases by December 2019.

>>andai+nF
According to this article, 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers in a random sample were positive on their antibody test. so 12% of italians had had Covid in September? And antibody levels decline after a while, so probably even more.

Sorry, but this would be pretty insane. Most likely explanation is probably false positives or scientific fraud or a combination. Antibody tests don't really prove much anyway since they are not directly identifying the virus. A full sequencing of a virus would be much better. The RNA would also give us information about the evolution of the virus.