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1. triple+ok[view] [source] 2021-02-13 20:17:28
>>lazycr+(OP)
I don't know whether SARS-CoV-2 escaped from a lab. But if it did, then not only is it probably not the first lab-origin pandemic, but it's also not the first time the WHO initially excluded that possibility.

The 1977 Russian Flu pandemic was genetically near-identical to a strain from 1950, without the expected mutations that should have appeared after 27 years of undetected circulation among humans or animals. It's been widely suspected in mainstream literature to have escaped from a research or vaccine manufacturing accident, to the point that the NEJM casually wrote:

> The reemergence was probably an accidental release from a laboratory source in the setting of waning population immunity to H1 and N1 antigens

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMra0904322

But at the time, the WHO said:

> Laboratory contamination can be excluded because the laboratories concerned either had never kept H1N1 virus or had not worked with it for a long time.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2395678/pdf/bul...

And it's absolutely bizarre to me that people are asking why the origin even matters. After thousands of people died in Bhopal, did it matter whether better chemical safety standards could have prevented that? So with millions dead now, how could you possibly not wonder whether our current standards for the sampling and manipulation of poorly-understood pandemic-candidate viruses are adequate?

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2. hayst4+8V[view] [source] 2021-02-14 01:04:19
>>triple+ok
I found this quite convincing:

https://project-evidence.github.io/

Summary (IIRC): The most likely explanation of its origins is a person who collected bats for a lab in Wuhan contracted the disease in the cave where bats were collected.

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3. saiya-+fu1[view] [source] 2021-02-14 09:28:56
>>hayst4+8V
that ignores the finding of Covid in September 2019 in Italy, which would make connection to Wuhan lab questionable
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4. ucha+kB1[view] [source] 2021-02-14 11:04:18
>>saiya-+fu1
Almost certainly a false positive. You can't have a virus propagating with a R0 of 2-4 and a cycle of ~1 week start in September 2019 yet have almost no cases by December 2019.
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