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> This is true, but it doesn't necessarily mean that I'm incorrect in my assessment.

Right, but as the subject of a membership ritual I have to discount your assertion.

Sometimes membership rituals do increase value. But they increase perceived value regardless of what follows.

>>jacque+(OP)
Aren't you engaging in the genetic fallacy here though? Pointing out a possible origin of my belief does not mean that you have disproved the belief.

>>daniel+m
As developed through this discussion, my point would be that we need an outsider's perspective on the quality of a community. Perhaps a "passer by".