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Using math to improve the effectiveness of police is not necessarily a good thing, because this kind of works really works to perpetuate proactive policing and over-policing, as well as encodes bias.

>>sudosy+(OP)
So maybe address the biases?

People who live in areas that experience high incidence of criminal activity also want to have crime reduced. They want someone to establish order—when you have a vacuum, someone will fill it, usually someone with even less oversight, though occasionally you can luck out with a benevolent dictator of sorts.

So yes people in those areas want policing —though they may also want some reform as well. Few people want no police. They know that’s a recipe for a power vacuum and the domino effect that has.

>>sudosy+(OP)
It depends on what your implicit model of policing is. I think the real issue is that most police departments in the US are commonly dual-tasked with providing violent crime prevention _and_ front line social services.

In this setting, it's less clear which "side of the force" is most impacted by the scientific input, but I think it might be reckless to simply cut them off without finding a better model for providing some of their more critical social services. In particular drug, mental health and domestic abuse interventions which sadly seems to be a very large portion of their workload.

>>mc32+V1
And solving world hunger is simple. Maybe feed the people?

The biases are deep and insidious. They exist in each and every one of us. "Addressing" them is a complicated issue.

>>mc32+V1
Well, when you're witnessing multiple instances of officers willingly and enthusiastically assaulting defenseless and innocent citizens/journalists on the street every day, you're past the point of "bias" correction.

These instances are not the result of some nebulous ingrained tendency to view others as less than themselves, they're the result of a coordinated and deliberate attempt to assert power.

Your assertion that removing police would create a "vacuum" assumes incorrectly that there is currently a sense of "order" established. This is not the case, as there is no set of behaviors black men in particular can adopt which will not result in their extrajudicial execution. Police are more accurately viewed as an occupying militia and I see no reason to believe it would just as soon be replaced by something similar.

>>sudosy+(OP)
This depends on how you define "effectiveness". E.g. one of the measures of effectiveness should include reducing the intrusiveness of polling, particularly on groups that tend to be subjected to overpolicing.

>>coffee+0a
In France there were similar issues with the police vs the yellow vests.

(Anti-Riot)Police see themselves as the entity that establishes order at the cusp of disorder.

When you have these kinds of confrontations (it could be internecine for all I care) you’re going to see that kind of human interaction. Neither person is a robot and thus the results are less than ideal.

What is worse is a power vacuum and the resulting gangs and warlordism (unless the community stands up its own local police force) but we’re back to policing.

>>coffee+0a
Please cite some statistics for such sweeping claims. That every other fool repeats a mantra doesn’t make it true.

>>mc32+dc
It was frankly amazing to see how utterly silent US media was on the yellow-vests movement. Do you have any good retrospective sources that I can read up on about those, I think my media experience with it was hearing about it once on NPR and then never hearing it mentioned again except in the form of a neo-facist related movement.

>>Siira+4d
I am unclear what statistics you're interested in, but would be happy to look into it if you can clarify which claim I made that you dispute.