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>You get to see how the sausage is made in a developed country which is, by far, an outlier in its crime-rate.

I don't think that's actually true. I'll have to find the stats, but IIRC the number of raw crimes is comparable between Western Europe and the US, but in the US the crime is WAY deadlier due to all of the guns. Canada is somewhere in the middle.

>>xxpor+(OP)
IIRC the number of raw crimes is comparable between Western Europe and the US, but in the US the crime is WAY deadlier due to all of the guns. Canada is somewhere in the middle.

It’s hotspots. Take out Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC and maybe New Orleans then even gun crime in the US is no worse than Europe.

>>goatin+X
That's not true. Berlin's murder rate is 1.8 per 100k people. If I count right that puts them at 96th between Santa Clara, CA and Boise, ID:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/nov/30/new-yo...

>>treis+K6
> If I count right that puts them at 96th between Santa Clara, CA and Boise, ID

First, you're only looking at cities. Lots of the US population does not live in cities.

Second, even just looking at cities, do you know how many cities there are in the US? (A lot more than 96.)

All this is telling you is that, as far as crime rates go, the US is basically two countries: certain large cities (high crime rate) and everywhere else (low crime rate).

>>xxpor+(OP)
No, it's not. I think what happens is that if you take a national average and compare it's still higher, but not overly so. But there is variability in those numbers. Atlanta has a murder rate of 17 per 100k vs 2 per 100k for Toronto, and 0.5 per 100k for Oslo.

>but in the US the crime is WAY deadlier due to all of the guns. Canada is somewhere in the middle.

That doesn't matter. Cops don't set gun policy. They have to deal with it. Just as cops don't cause vagrancy in cities like LA and San Fran (which usually results from mental illness and/or drug addiction), but they still have to deal with it (because those cities and states won't).

>>pdonis+He
>Lots of the US population does not live in cities.

Where do you think these police abuses (and subsequent protests) are coming from? Pretty much exclusively from cities.

>>pdonis+He
The GP said take out the hot spots and crime would be comparable to Europe. Unless we're counting 80+ cities as "hot spots" that's not an accurate statement.

>>macspo+Jg
Yes, I know; I'm simply pointing out that "cities" is not the same as "everywhere in the US". So asking for "fixes" to this issue that involve restructuring society everywhere in the US is not reasonable. The policing issues are issues that are local to the particular cities where these problems exist; local governments are the ones that should be held accountable for fixing them.

>>treis+fj
> Unless we're counting 80+ cities as "hot spots"

Yes, that's what we're doing. There are a lot more than 80 cities in the US, and a lot of places where people are that aren't cities.