Police deal with violent criminals who have no regard for police life; in fact often they are explicitly against police. They're going to learn techniques appropriate for dealing with such people. Some of those techniques will be violent and resemble "military" tactics, but that's only because the military also deals with violent adversaries.
> Methods: Ten years of data were extracted from Dallas Police Department records. LEOs who were involved in a shooting in the past 10 years were frequency matched on sex to LEOs never involved in a shooting. Military discharge records were examined to quantify veteran status and deployment(s). Multivariable logistic regression was used to estimate the effect of veteran status and deployment history on officer-involved shooting involvement.
> Results: Records were abstracted for 516 officers. In the adjusted models, veteran LEOs who were not deployed were significantly more likely to be involved in a shooting than non-veteran officers. Veterans with a deployment history were 2.9 times more likely to be in a shooting than non-veteran officers.
> Conclusions: Military veteran status, regardless of deployment history, is associated with increased odds of shootings among LEOs. Future studies should identify mechanisms that explain this relationship, and whether officers who experienced firsthand combat exposure experience greater odds of shooting involvement.
“ A defence attorney for Taylor’s boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, says he fired in self-defence because police did not announce themselves and that he believed they were breaking in to the home.”
The police did a no-knock raid unannounced on the wrong home, then shot EMT Brianna Taylor 8 times. Those violent techniques are at issue here. They seem to be violations of 5th and/or 14th amendment rights and clearly not appropriate.
https://lailasnews.com/international/brianna-taylor-death-br...
[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Breonna_Taylor
I’m sucker for true crime, so I watch a lot of interrogations. There are very specific tactics that are used to psychologically build up egos, barrage an ego, frame things in different ways that absolve the perpetrator, standard god cop / bad cop, and so forth. Murder police do this with murder suspects. The thing is, murder police are super trained to deal with murders.
I think street beat cops are similar to script kiddies. They don’t understand infrastructure and networking, and mostly know code monkey usage of scripts. On small enough targets, you can start to believe you are king shit doing whatever you are doing.
Until it goes too far, and the big boys show up and assess you. That’s when we find out your script kiddie cops have little to no training on de-escalation, have little to no understanding of the community, think establishing authority and show of force in any situation is professional, think defending their ego in situations has a place, think bringing respect to the uniform in a literal ongoing situation that could turn sideways has a place, and so on.
That’s what we’re finding out, they are mostly amateurs. They are not super trained to deal with their job. Guy clearly drunk and asleep in a car? First time you’ve ever dealt with this? Ended in a fatality, eh?
Lots of training there going over that basic scenario ...
[0] https://www.statista.com/chart/5211/us-citizens-killed-by-po...
> Earlier this month, Howard charged six Atlanta police officers with using excessive force in pulling two college students out of a car during a protest. In justifying charges of aggravated assault against some of the officers, Howard said a Taser is considered a deadly weapon under Georgia law. [0]
Rayshard was also breaking Georgia DUI law by drinking in his parked car. He also likely drove there drunk, so investigating was ethical. Drunk driving kills over 10,000 people every year.
> Similarly, if the keys are in the ignition but the car is not yet turned on, this could be charged as a parked car DUI. Additionally, if the person is in the car, in the driver's seat, with the keys in their hand, but not in the ignition, this can be charged as a parked car DUI. [1]
[0] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/17/raysha...
In other countries like England & Wales, when a police officer seriously injures or kills someone, there's a formal investigation by the Independent Office for Police Conduct, an independent body at a centralised Government level with powers equivalent to a police officer for matters they investigate. They also usually provide public reports, for example, https://policeconduct.gov.uk/recommendations/police-response.... (Also note the limited use of force - two shots, one of which struck - and immediate care.) It's still not perfect, but it's a heck of a lot better than what the US does.
All officer involved shootings are investigated, but you take issue with the investigation being internal. If an independent investigation office was created, would you accept the results if the results still were the same? What group, would you accept results from in independent office from as not compromised or part of a pro-police conspiracy? Certainly not any Trump appointed office, no matter how seemingly neutral.
Also, circling back - even if the police only killed violent people, my personal experience is that their interactions with the community are pretty much always to threaten violence - except for their attempts to indoctrinate children into accepting their presence. I've seen police break ribs and knock non-violent, merely uncooperative, people unconscious, then fail to provide healthcare. They've harassed and threatened people attempting to film them, including taking details and arresting people who refuse to provide them. There was a spate where they arrested random people on my street for no stated reason, then released them just before they had to explain to a judge why they were arrested. Just because people don't die most of the time doesn't make them unaffected.
No-knock night raids should probably be considered a violation of the 2nd Amendment, among other things. Kenneth Walker was well within his rights to shoot the plainclothes cops breaking into his home in the middle of the night.
This can’t be proved. I’ve poured a few shots into a drink and had it with my meal at fast food places plenty of times. He could have been drinking inside Wendy’s, easily. He could have gotten drunk, couldn’t walk to his sister’s place, decided to sleep some of it off in the car.
It’s hard to argue if there is a rejection of the need for nuance and that situations fall on a spectrum.
The law is the law until we see it a little bit. If RB had priors and he was about to get a parked dui, that could be real jail time again, and a drunken person could easily react drunkenly.
Do you as a cop factor in the fragility of the situation or do you exact the law word for word, regardless of how much more dangerous the situation will get.
The RB situation is extremely complicated. I feel bad for the cops and don’t think they deserve felony charges. However, I do think the police department needs more rigorous training on dealing with common scenarios at a higher level.
I also don’t think RB needed to go to be cuffed that night, and needed a place to sleep it off like he suggested.
It’s sad all around.
He was passed out in his car in the drive thru lane. Did you even watch any of the videos? He was not cognizant for most of the video.
> I also don’t think RB needed to go to be cuffed that night, and needed a place to sleep it off like he suggested.
Riiiight...
Regardless, even if the police killed some 1000 armed people during a year, so what? 1000 is certainly a tiny sub-1% fraction of total interactions. If anything, you're only supporting my assertion that the vast majority of people the police have to deal with are non-violent and can be dealt with using non-leathal force, or little to no force at all.