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1. krzyk+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-06-15 19:33:17
OK, let me make it more clear.

Let's assume two cases:

1. A programmer, his work involves programming (obvious), going to meetings, printing some reports/codes etc.

The biggest problem he can do is introduce bugs in code by mistake (yes, lives can be lost that way), would you expect his peers to tell on him that he was the guy that introduced a bug that killed 300 people in a plane crash?

2. A cop, his job involves preventing crimes, event violent ones, so he sometimes need to use his gun to prevent some of it, and sometimes he has to shoot a criminal.

His mistakes might be killing innocent person. Same thing can happen to his colleagues, so they protect him (just like any sane community would, like your family) - at least unless he turns out to be some sick sociopath.

Do you see relevance now? If you play with code you can just break code, if you play with guns you can break lives.

A side from that I don't get it why there are so many people that trash cops, but don't say a bad word about looters.

Cops protect us from crimes, small and big. They provide order, there are always black sheep, but there are less of those than you think - good guys also make mistakes.

Without a force that provides protection from crimes we would turn into vendetta like justice - have you been to countries that just went out of war? e.g. after the fall of Yugoslavia, there was no police there only tribe and vendetta justice.

Each utopia turns into dystopia sooner or later (CHAZ).

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2. ashton+Y7[view] [source] 2020-06-15 20:16:18
>>krzyk+(OP)
Your example excludes intent.

If I thought my coworker had deliberately introduced a bug that killed 300 people, I would absolutely turn them in. There is absolutely no question in my mind that I would do that.

But cops do not turn in their own when they deliberately abuse their power. They in fact resign in protest when their own are investigated (Buffalo, NY), and turn out in support when their own are arraigned for abuses of power (Philadelphia, PA).

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3. krzyk+Sc1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-16 06:54:25
>>ashton+Y7
Intent is not obvious, unless you have evidence and that is to court to prove, beyond any reasonable doubt.

Intent to kill is something a sociopath does, do you think police force has more of them than the rest of society?

There was a time when vigilant justice didn't need court, but I don't think we want that to return (witch hunts in middle ages or lynching in 19th and early 20th century USA).

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4. jennyy+pg2[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-16 15:54:40
>>krzyk+Sc1
> Intent to kill is something a sociopath does, do you think police force has more of them than the rest of society?

Actually, yes, they are filled with sociopaths. It's well known that lower-intelligence people become police. The police actively reject candidates with higher intelligence because the theory is that they become bored.

Also, it's well known that the occupation attracts bullies, who love the idea of bullying people and having power over regular citizens.

What you end up having is a group of low-IQ bullies, and they control the entire police force, because the "good" cops don't want to rock the boat. The stupid, boisterous bullies are the ones that create the culture of silence and complicity, and ultimately violence. I believe that cops love the idea that they are at war against the common citizen, which is why they draw their guns and escalate situations even before anything has happened.

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5. krzyk+xz6[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-17 21:51:26
>>jennyy+pg2
> It's well known that lower-intelligence people become police.

Any data?

> Also, it's well known that the occupation attracts bullies, who love the idea of bullying people and having power over regular citizens.

Again, data? Isn't it easier to become crook? More pay, less control, more freedom.

I know they are not PhDs but come on.

What you are doing is exactly the same what others do to different races/genders/nationalities, just replace "police" in your sentences with "black", "yellow", "women", "jewish" etc.

Hate against whole occupation, thousands of people. People start poisoning them (have you seen what happened in NY?), their children are bullied at schools.

Pure and simple hate crime.

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