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1. adwn+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-06-15 17:55:20
> [...] but it's crazy to not let discrimination happen on things that are a choice.

Religion is a choice. Does that mean that you're fine with discrimination based on one's religion?

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2. Miner4+v4[view] [source] 2020-06-15 18:11:12
>>adwn+(OP)
yes
3. jlokie+Tz[view] [source] 2020-06-15 20:50:17
>>adwn+(OP)
Is religion a choice?

I'm sure many people who believe in $DEITY, and the duties which follow from this, do not see "belief" as a choice they are making.

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4. afiori+qB[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-15 20:59:38
>>jlokie+Tz
I'm sure many people who believe in $IDEOLOGY, and the duties which follow from this, do not see "belief" as a choice they are making.
5. mirko2+rK[view] [source] 2020-06-15 21:52:47
>>adwn+(OP)
And why not? If you say you are very religious and pray to your god before you push your branches I would look at you very weird, I am sorry... Maybe I am a bad person but...

And more over, everyone can register a religion these days, look at Our Lady of Perpetual Exemption... So if someone wakes up one morning and starts a religion out of a joke I should be forced not to discriminate against him?

But replace John Oliver with Jewish religion and now this argument sounds different.

But that is the problem with context... I don't like blanket laws making me do things.

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6. kelnos+yM[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-15 22:04:20
>>jlokie+Tz
You've gotten downvoted for some reason, but I think you're right. The religious people I know could no more choose not to believe than I can choose to believe. Religious belief or non-belief comes as a response to life's experiences, heavily influenced by the level of indoctrination inflicted by parents when we're young.

When I was 11 or 12, I realized I didn't believe in god (I didn't know the term "atheist" at the time). My parents were Catholic, and I was forced to attend CCD weekly during the school year (the Catholic version of "Sunday School") in addition to weekly Mass. I tried so hard to believe in a god because I didn't want to disappoint or anger my parents, and I wanted to fit in with my peer group. I was trying to make a choice to believe, but that's just not a choice you can make. You either believe, or you don't.

In hindsight I'm glad I failed to choose to believe, but at the time I agonized over my non-belief daily, thinking there was something wrong with me.

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7. sukilo+uO[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-15 22:16:21
>>mirko2+rK
Religion (beliefs) is protected. That doesn't mean that all behavior practices by all religions are protected.
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8. sukilo+CU[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-15 23:03:13
>>kelnos+yM
Once we assume free will doesn't exist, these debates are moot.
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9. umvi+VY[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-15 23:41:32
>>sukilo+CU
It's not useful to assume free will doesn't exist for this very reason. All debates are moot. Democracy is moot.
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