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1. vorpal+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-06-15 16:34:13
> why haven't Breonna Taylor's killers been charged and put in jail, or at the very least quickly fired?

Because they are "innocent until proven guilty". It's not as if they've been going on calls and continuing to kick in doors - the investigation was handed to the FBI (a federal body) and the officers were put on leave until that investigation is finished.

If they are fired and it turns out they were acting lawfully, then the people who fired them will get sued and lose.

> In general you're repeating talking points about fragments of what I said

I'm addressing specific cases and claims you make. We can argue loudly about whether or not the police play Rambo but that's not a productive thing we can debate. I can make specific claims about what is in police contracts versus what it is not and falls under QI or other federal law which supersedes local authority.

The issue is that you feel you are correct, and to that end you're making broad unspecific claims that aren't factual - literally not a matter of true or false but fundamentally so vague so as to not have meaning.

> There are obviously mundane procedural answers for these, but added up it's a very lopsided contract allowing the police to play Rambo with impunity.

That's a great example of exactly what I'm talking about. We have to care about mundane procedural answers. We can't just sacrifice someone to appease the angry mob.

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2. mindsl+Va[view] [source] 2020-06-15 17:14:37
>>vorpal+(OP)
> The issue is that you feel you are correct, and to that end you're making broad unspecific claims that aren't factual

No, I made general claims about a larger pattern. If you don't agree that police have managed to weasel out of most accountability, then there's really no discussion to be had. Yet you jumped in anyway to push some police-justifying nonsense ("Contracts are negotiated like any other") that grossly contradicts the events under discussion.

>> why haven't Breonna Taylor's killers been charged and put in jail, or at the very least quickly fired?

>Because they are "innocent until proven guilty".

The first step is charging someone, which has not been done. Everyone in jail is innocent - guilty people go to prison. Once again, procedural details that sound sensible while adding up into a constructively corrupt system. The case has been turned over to the FBI precisely due to the local corruption.

As you are implying some alternative justice path for cops, I'll be explicit: To evaluate how well the rule of law is working, you only have to ask yourself what would happen to a non-cop who performed the exact same actions. Specifically, what would have happened to a group of non-cops that committed a home invasion resulting in murder?

3. dragon+vw[view] [source] 2020-06-15 18:41:04
>>vorpal+(OP)
> Because they are "innocent until proven guilty".

That...doesn't stop people from being arrested. Proof of guilt is required before imposing sentence, but arrest happens way before that.

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