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1. ss3000+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-06-15 09:10:03
What does the existence of riots have anything to do with these instances of police brutality on _peaceful_ protestors?
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2. vegai_+m3[view] [source] 2020-06-15 09:48:36
>>ss3000+(OP)
Everything is connected to everything. If you have riots everywhere then people, including police, are on the edge.

Also, are you suggesting that the riots are peaceful?

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3. gwd+G4[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-15 09:59:53
>>vegai_+m3
> Also, are you suggesting that the riots are peaceful?

So apparently you haven't watched any of the videos, huh?

Guess what? The problem is that police are frequently "on edge" in their normal jobs, and as a result innocent people are seriously injured or die. And worse, police are "on edge" far more around blacks than whites, meaning far more blacks are injured by police than whites.

It doesn't matter what the cause is, it's a problem and is has to stop.

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4. vegai_+Ge[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-15 11:40:24
>>gwd+G4
>So apparently you haven't watched any of the videos, huh?

Yes, I watched a few from this link, and that admittedly small sample didn't show a single peaceful protester being abused by cops. I suppose you watched more of them?

>Guess what? The problem is that police are frequently "on edge" in their normal jobs, and as a result innocent people are seriously injured or die. And worse, police are "on edge" far more around blacks than whites, meaning far more blacks are injured by police than whites.

Could there be a reason for some of that that is not linked to racism? Are only white policemen more on-edge around black people?

>It doesn't matter what the cause is, it's a problem and is has to stop.

I can agree with that certainly.

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5. gwd+9j[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-15 12:23:16
>>vegai_+Ge
> Yes, I watched a few from this link, and that admittedly small sample didn't show a single peaceful protester being abused by cops.

TGD #1 shows a woman standing with a sign being run over by a horse. That's absolutely peaceful.

TGD #2 shows a woman who was walking backwards in front of a police officer being shoved so hard she flies several meters back and hits her head on the curb. She was in the officer's face, but she certainly wasn't doing anything close to rioting.

I'll watch more later, but so far that's 2/2 at the top of the list showing peaceful protesters being abused.

> Could there be a reason for some of that that is not linked to racism? Are only white policemen more on-edge around black people?

Depends on what you mean by "racism". There was a series of studies a few years ago that put people in classic "shoot / no shoot" scenarios that police are trained on (i.e., you go through a scenario and have to shoot someone before they shoot you, but only if there's actually a gun). They randomly changed the color of the skin of the people involved. Civilians shot far more blacks than whites in "no-shoot" scenarios. Police shot about the same, but there was a longer delay: meaning, their impulse was to shoot blacks faster, but their training allowed a secondary impulse to come in and moderate the first one. (Sorry I can't find a link just now.)

But there are a host of other issues as well.

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6. vegai_+wk[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-15 12:35:29
>>gwd+9j
>There was a series of studies a few years ago that put people in classic "shoot / no shoot" scenarios that police are trained on (i.e., you go through a scenario and have to shoot someone before they shoot you, but only if there's actually a gun). They randomly changed the color of the skin of the people involved. Civilians shot far more blacks than whites in "no-shoot" scenarios. Police shot about the same, but there was a longer delay: meaning, their impulse was to shoot blacks faster, but their training allowed a secondary impulse to come in and moderate the first one. (Sorry I can't find a link just now.)

That sounded interesting, so I tried to find some.

First one I found was this https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235256692_Results_f...

-- the conclusion seemed to be exactly counter to what the research you were talking about showed. "In addition, where errors were made, participants across experiments were more likely to shoot unarmed White suspects than unarmed Black or Hispanic suspects, and were more likely to fail to shoot armed Black suspects than armed White or Hispanic suspects."

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7. UncleM+uD[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-15 14:41:29
>>vegai_+m3
How come the police get to be on edge but not the people? You’d probably be on edge too after centuries of oppression in every aspect of society.
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