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That medical error study is awful. It categorizes any treatment that is given but doesn't work as an error. That only makes sense in a world in which a correct treatment that could cure a patient always exists and that correct option should be known ahead of time by the people treating the patient. Reality doesn't work like that. Here[1] is a write up on the issues in that study.

[1] - https://www.statnews.com/2016/05/09/medical-errors-deaths-bm...

>>slg+(OP)
Sure, I think that's fair enough. I didn't mean to imply that there are 250,000 cases a year where a heart transplant is performed to cure pneumonia.

But of those 250,000, some will be small mistake, and some will be epic fuck ups (see [1]).

Similarly, the police shoot around 1,000 people per year. Of those, many are justified, some are are questionable, and a few are epic fuck ups. If you just look at the epic fuck ups, you may believe that policing is completely broken in America. If you look at it in context, you'd probably conclude that the system works well in some cases, not well in other cases, and that there are lots of tradeoffs and no easy answer.

I'd recommend Peter Moskos's blog and podcast (www.copinthehood.com and www.qualitypolicing.com) to get a more even handed perspective than you'd find in the media. I'm not defending every single police shooting, but I think the recent shift in public opinion is not based on a good understanding of policing in America.

[1] https://www.mdlinx.com/article/jaw-dropping-medical-mix-ups/...

>>marcel+p1
>I didn't mean to imply that there are 250,000 cases a year where a heart transplant is performed to cure pneumonia.

Then why link to that study and specifically cite that 250,000 number?

One of the main differences with doctors is when they truly do have an epic fuck up they are personally sued and can potentially lose their medical license. How many of the epic fuck ups by police in the linked Google doc will lead to the officer being sued? How many will lead to them being forced to switch to a different profession? Why do we allow these police to epicly fuck up in ways that we don't allow other professions like doctors? Does tolerating these epic fuck ups among police make them more likely to epicly fuck up in the future?

>>marcel+p1
People aren't just interested in how questionable the incidents are in isolation. They believe the system is set up such that there are more incidents than there could be. This is what they "defund" part is about. The belief that society would be healthier if some part of money today spent on police, is better spent elsewhere.