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Ah what is appropriate? Letting them take over entire city blocks as Seattle has done? Allowing mobs to burn down minority neighborhoods in Minneapolis?

>>chrisc+(OP)
I live basically in the CHAZ in Seattle, they haven't taken over anything. The police just abandoned the precinct building and left it unlocked and people are gathering peacefully to listen to other people speak. It's like a street festival or a farmer's market but with an explicit aim of stopping police from killing black people.

>>chrisc+(OP)
The police abandoned the city blocks first. The intent was to purposefully set up a situation where cops can point to rioting in an area they intentionally vacated so riots could happen. Protestors have responded by sitting and watching documentaries about police brutality in that area.

>>chrisc+(OP)
I downvoted you because I live in a Seattle, and this question shows a ignorance of the facts: “Letting them take over entire city blocks as Seattle has done?”

>>ncalla+11
A bare assertion followed by a bare refusal isn't much help. If you would instead provide some information, that would be a big help to all those of us who do not live in Seattle.

>>rabidr+n
Ah what's the end game? They were forced by leadership to abandon the area. That wasn't their choice to abandon their post. What are your thoughts on the 300+ black people murdered in Chicago so far in the past year by gang violence? You think that a CHAZ in Chicago would help those lives? You think defunding the police would lead to less or more deaths there overall?

>>chrisc+32
Police sure haven’t helped. Defunding and funding other areas probably helps reduce the murder rate.

>>brigan+x1
If the statement is not factual, what else is there to say?

All I know is Fox News has been caught photoshopping images and lying during their news broadcasts about these incidents.

>>brigan+x1
This is a very accurate take that leads with some context before getting to the current situation: https://nostalgebraist.tumblr.com/post/620713736158724096/he...

>>TeaDru+C
Maybe this can set an example for the rest of the nation, then.

There have been calls to abolish the police. If Seattle can do it, maybe Atlanta and Minneapolis too.

I think that's the right answer: this should be a local decision and each community should decide the level of policing it wants (including none at all).

>>chillw+Q6
> If the statement is not factual, what else is there to say?

What is actually occurring, as I requested. It was a hint that the reply at least wasn't up to the standard of HN.

>>brigan+x1
When other people have been downvoted, they complain that no reason was given.

I am doing the courtesy of telling you why I downvoted you.

If telling you why I downvoted you then also compels me to justify my position in an extended way, then I will not do it in the future. Instead I will just silently downvote when I feel it is warranted.

>>chillw+Q6
They've taken over blocks, blocking traffic, stopping the flow of people and businesses into that area, they've disregarded state and local laws, etc. It's completely factual. Whatever Fox News has been doing to drum up hits on their website is completely irrelevant.

>>exogen+87
Thanks, I appreciate it. Obviously it's hard for me to confirm things (an increasing problem) but at the very least it gives me an insight and a hook into events.

Not sure why people can't take their political hat off for HN and try to inform.

>>ncalla+8Q
That's up to you but I'm sure you could put the effort in, someone else has.

>>brigan+GL2
Great. Next time I'll just silently downvote and move on.

I could put the effort in, that's true. But I'm not going to be obligated to, and I'm not going to be shamed into doing the work to educate you.

I'm glad someone else did!