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1. joshua+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-06-12 04:22:00
There have been lots of mid-sized political wins for these protests. Breanna's law, Minneapolis defunding it's police, etc. It's sustained distributed action, and some of it is not real (the NYC chokehold ban), but there's still real stuff happening.
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2. hoten+08[view] [source] 2020-06-12 06:04:59
>>joshua+(OP)
None of that is a result of CHAZ.
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3. mauflo+a9[view] [source] 2020-06-12 06:18:55
>>joshua+(OP)
I wouldn't say a chokehold ban is not real. The jury is still out, but it seems restricting use of force can help: https://www.vox.com/2020/6/5/21280402/8-cant-wait-explained-...
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4. hsod+nk1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-12 16:50:53
>>hoten+08
seattle schools has disaffiliated with SPD in large part due to the protests that led up to CHAZ
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5. rantwa+DJ3[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-13 16:00:50
>>hoten+08
how do you know / make that claim?

i guess i might be in a minority but the large scale protests led to these outcomes.

most politicians don’t give a flying forest for an isolated protest that happens all the way across the country. now if this happens in your backyard you pay attention.

so i would say that the protests in Seattle and the emergence of CHAZ did contribute to some of the outcomes (present and future ones). it’s really easy to be cynic and write off the efforts of people that are, in a sense, helping to write history.

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6. joshua+J74[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-13 19:09:52
>>mauflo+a9
My understanding is that chokeholds were already banned by department policy. So officers should have, but didn't, fave consequences for them.

Theres relatively little reason to think that the law will change that. Other stuff might, but in isolation, officers could continue to ignore the law.

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7. hoten+X5a[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-16 00:50:42
>>rantwa+DJ3
I'm confused at your comment. These two sentences seem directly contradictory:

> i guess i might be in a minority but the large scale protests led to these outcomes.

> most politicians don’t give a flying forest for an isolated protest that happens all the way across the country. now if this happens in your backyard you pay attention.

Could you clear that up?

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I'm not saying protests in other cities didn't contribute to governments in different cities taking action. I do think the nation-wide aspect of the protests helped move things along in Minneapolis/Lousiville/etc. I do think it's mostly indirect, though: I think protests across the country _indirectly_ increased the confidence and voices of protestors in other cities.

You seem to be conflating CHAZ–a very unique form of protest–with all protests. I think without CHAZ, the outcomes in the cities mentioned above would be the same.

Can you cite anyone in a position of power, or even a prominent voice leading the protests, in KY, MN, etc. that directly cite CHAZ?

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