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1. newacc+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-06-12 01:19:01
Do you think trading innocent people's lives to prevent criminal exploits is an acceptable strategy?

I mean, there weren't any criminals here at all, but let's pretend they were dealing out of the apartment, as the reporting has suggested was the impetus. How many escaped drug dealers are worth one Breonna Taylor?

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2. JamesB+76[view] [source] 2020-06-12 02:29:55
>>newacc+(OP)
At some ratio yes. Otherwise we shouldn't enforce any laws, and I don't think a state without any laws enforced is a viable one.

How many escaped drug dealers are worth one Breonna Taylor, depends completely on how violet the drug dealer is. Non-violent drug dealers, there isn't a number. But as the drug dealer gets more violent it requires fewer.

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3. newacc+461[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-12 13:52:23
>>JamesB+76
> depends completely on how violet the drug dealer is

Exactly. But you're still evading by hiding behind a TV Crime Drama trope. How many dealers are "violent"? Have you researched that? While there is violence in the drug trade, as there pretty much has to be in any black market, there is almost none at the level of individual sales. Needless to say it's not a good business model to go around killing people in front of your customers.

I mean, the evidence in question (that got this woman killed!) is that a known dealer apparently walked out of the apartment. With a FedEx box. Do we really want to be shooting people for carrying boxes?

The idea of street dealers being dangerous is largely a fiction invented by society. And we're killing innocent people to perpetuate it.

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4. JoeAlt+X61[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-12 13:58:21
>>newacc+461
It was true 20 years ago, when we formed our cultural impressions perhaps. Then the cocaine market was flooded with tons of cheap stuff (by the CIA). After that, the money to be made was so low that nobody was killing anybody over $100.

There's books written about this (Outliers?)

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5. JamesB+591[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-12 14:14:22
>>newacc+461
Back of the envelope calculation

I would imagine dealers are 0.1-1% of the population (say .3%) and the FBI says roughly 13% of homicides are gang related which is probably a rough proxy for the number of drug dealer related homicides.

This would put dealers as having a homicide rate approximately 40x the base rate. This seems right to me.

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6. JoeAlt+A91[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-12 14:18:00
>>JamesB+591
I wonder if 'gang related' is a conflation with 'poor'.

To be fair, have to measure folks in the same socioeconomic class and geography but not in gangs and compare?

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7. JamesB+1e1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-12 14:45:19
>>JoeAlt+A91
I think homicide base rate for poverty is closer to 2x.
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