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I haven’t seen any concrete numbers. That’s what keeps it in “slogan” territory for me. I’ll admit to not looking very hard for numbers as a failing of my own.

I want to see suggestions, for any major city, how much of their budget we should cut (as percentage and gross) as well as where this funding should go as a percentage of how much funding already goes to that place.

Apologies if this is readily available, I haven’t seen it yet.

>>zests+(OP)
you can find more information about the movement here 8toabolition.com

>>zests+(OP)
> I haven’t seen any concrete numbers.

Within the movement, there are different groups with different policy proposals (which, even in the “defund” camp, are not limited to just moving money around), which inherently must vary in detail for specific police departments.

But mostly the point right now is to get the people who legislate at the local level to agree that the broad principal is worthy of detailed discussion. And most advocates anywhere on the defund/dismantle spectrum will tell you that they are calling for a broad rethinking around a particular outline involving a variety of community and government groups, not selling a detailed package of ready-to-implement policies.

>>carlin+B
This is disappointingly sparse on details and does not seem to be a nuanced position. It's calling for the eventual abolition of police, not merely scaling back their funding:

> The end goal of these reforms is not to create better, friendlier, or more community-oriented police or prisons. Instead, we hope to build toward a society without police or prisons, where communities are equipped to provide for their safety and wellbeing.

When somebody breaks into my home, I don't need a counselor; I need some sort of investigator or detective who can track that man down and make sure he doesn't do it again. Maybe that guy needs a counselor instead of a prison sentence, I'm [skeptical of but] amenable to that idea, but who does the grunt work of figuring how who did it and where he's at? Who brings him to trial, where his guilt or innocence can be assessed? I can't find any answers for this on that site, so it's hard for me to take seriously.

This document also mentions permanently closing all jails and freeing everybody from involuntary detention, etc. When a man refuses to stop beating his wife, where should he be put? I don't see any answers for this. Is the idea really to create a utopia where people no longer do shitty things to other people? Because if so, that's a pipe dream, not a serious proposal.