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1. JKCalh+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-06-06 22:09:49
As a start:

Education.

People need to believe justice is applied equally: white as well as black, rich as well as poor.

Close the extreme and growing wealth gap in the country.

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2. Barrin+u[view] [source] 2020-06-06 22:14:50
>>JKCalh+(OP)
I'm always confused by the suggestion that education is some sort of panacea for totalitarian ideology.

Someone who is racist or fascist by definition rejects the notion that justice ought to be applied equally and just about anything else that you would likely consider moral or proper.

And fascism also is not a function of wealth inequality. Fascism has historically grown out of the middle-class. Seymour Martin Lipset identified fascism as "Extremismus der Mitte" in Germany. It's well at home in the petite bourgeoisie or in the US I guess you'd say the suburban middle class.

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3. csunbi+z[view] [source] 2020-06-06 22:15:10
>>JKCalh+(OP)
The wealth gap will not be closed, unless an economic wipe (e.g. a world war again) occurs.
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4. Aviceb+T[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-06 22:17:09
>>csunbi+z
Well than here we go, why is this, and what can be done to rectify it before that happens?
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5. rayine+w1[view] [source] 2020-06-06 22:20:59
>>JKCalh+(OP)
The United States is one of the most educated places in the world: https://cgsnet.org/ckfinder/userfiles/images/Data_Sources_11.... Most importantly, it has been that way for a long time. Our college achievement rate for people age 55-65, the people who created the systems in place today, is almost double the OECD average, and more than double that of France.

As to people believing that justice should be applied equally—you’ll find few Americans who disagree with that. What you’ll find is a lot of people who disagree about what that means.

The final point is a random left-wing wishlist item that has nothing to do with fighting “fascism.”

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6. x86_64+x1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-06 22:21:06
>>Barrin+u
People like throwing education out there because it's less politically charged than anything meaningful.
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7. jibal+92[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-06 22:25:54
>>Barrin+u
"as a start" != "panacea", and education was only offered as one of three items.
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8. csunbi+a2[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-06 22:25:56
>>Aviceb+T
It is actually simple: The wealth gap will not close, because not everybody is born equal.

Wealthy people will have wealthy kids (the right of inheritance), kids can use the wealth to increase their wealth because they will have more opportunities to exploit.

Poor people will have poor kids, which wont have enough opportunities to exploit and will probably stay poor.

It just snowballs from here, unless you wipe the economy and make everyone equal again. But then a couple of people will get wealthy again, does not matter if pure luck or skill, and the trend will continue.

Life is not fair and will not be, until we find a way to make everyone equal and provide equal opportunities.

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9. Aviceb+03[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-06 22:31:17
>>csunbi+a2
So you're suggesting we pretend it's not an issue we need to address? You're framing it as a natural thing, when I fully disagree. Oh Well, I was born rich, f u, seems like you aren't seeing what is going on out there.
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10. wpietr+33[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-06 22:31:39
>>csunbi+a2
There is no right of inheritance. As people on the right never tire of saying, people should have to work for what they get. Wondermark points out the hypocracy well: http://wondermark.com/c1135/
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11. krapp+C3[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-06 22:37:14
>>x86_64+x1
Also to push the false dichotomy that we have to choose one or the other, but can't do both.
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12. csunbi+W3[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-06 22:40:31
>>Aviceb+03
I am not saying that inheritance is a natural right. I agree that inheritance should not exist, because it is unfair. But, still, even if you get rid of inheritance, the kids will have different environments while growing up, it will still be unfair.

This is not a solved problem, so I can not provide you an answer on how to fix it. Hence please see my last sentence in my previous post:

Life is not fair and will not be, until we find a way to make everyone equal and provide equal opportunities.

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13. aniro+05[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-06 22:46:35
>>csunbi+a2
I believe you have touched upon the fundamental problem.

We severely reduced inherited political power in the West. It was bloody and painful, but it was accomplished.

We can reduce or remove inherited economic power also. Hopefully it doesn't have to be so bloody (I am not so sure).

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14. JKCalh+g7[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-06 23:06:53
>>x86_64+x1
Not really.

I see fear behind most of the worst behavior in our modern politics. Education goes a long way to address fear.

Want politically charged? I suspect the reason the U.S. has its current president is due in part to a emasculated voting class lashing out from feelings of powerlessness. Education would have gone a long way to making them feel more relevant in a constantly changing economy/society.

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15. JKCalh+r7[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-06 23:08:59
>>csunbi+a2
I don't disagree that there will always be wealthy and poor. I think it is a matter of degree though. In the U.S. it has only worsened....
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16. karate+y7[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-06 23:09:39
>>aniro+05
Bertrand Russell, in one of his more political books (I forget which—maybe New Hopes for a Changing World?) points out how odd it is that we now consider the notion that people would inherit titles & positions obviously silly and can't even understand how anyone ever took it seriously, but consider inherited wealth completely normal and questioning it as radical.
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17. JKCalh+M7[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-06 23:12:07
>>rayine+w1
> The final point is a random left-wing wishlist item

I would say the perception that the system is rigged toward the elite and that the masses will never attain any measure of wealth is directly correlated to the populist election of a president (with fascist leanings) that we see right now in the U.S.

But perhaps I am ignorant of the term "fascist".

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18. Kednic+98[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-06 23:15:27
>>Barrin+u
I don't have all the answers, but isn't education an answer to racism? I feel that modern beliefs about race realism don't hold up to a basic understanding of molecular genetics.
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19. Saucie+be[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-07 00:23:19
>>karate+y7
This is pretty off-topic but I've read a lot of Russell, and I just want to point out that he was declared unfit to teach by the judiciary owing to his political beliefs. Just to disabuse anyone of the notion that the United States values free speech and expression.
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20. aniro+hn[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-07 02:03:12
>>karate+y7
It is a massive paradigm shift. That is exactly what leads me to believe that moving to remove/reduce it is going to lead to violence.

I also think it is likely necessary to do so if we intend for humanity to move forward.

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21. _y5hn+cO[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-07 08:38:36
>>csunbi+W3
Or people learn to share and be of service to others. There's nothing natural about everybody being "equalized".
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