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1. missos+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-06-04 00:30:14
> You are also greatly exaggerating the risk to citizens in the USA

"Noor was convicted of third degree murder and second degree manslaughter for killing Ms Damond Ruszczyk just minutes after she called 911 to report a possible sexual assault in the alley behind her Minneapolis home in July 2017."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-08/mohamed-noor-sentence...

> The risk is not to the caller

Just yesterday there was news coverage of a store owner who called police for aid against looters and was attacked and handcuffed by those same police when they arrived on the scene.

Also, incidents like this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/08/26/kazeem-oyen...

Any single one of these stories would provoke a national outcry here. They're unthinkable here. But it's everyday life in the US.

> But you don’t make a mental “death chance calculation” when you call the cops.

Yeah I do. When I was visiting the states my friend was instructing me to do things like turn on my interior car light and slowly put my hands on the steering wheel and do absolutely nothing that could possibly provoke the cop. That sounded fucking insane to me, coming from Australia.

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2. seibel+s3[view] [source] 2020-06-04 01:02:20
>>missos+(OP)
Believe me - I am not a fan of the police in general - but you are cherry picking some extreme examples. There are many cases of police brutality in Australia.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/it-does-happen-here-calls-to...

> “The family of an Aboriginal man who died in custody says protests against police brutality in the US should be a wake-up call about the plight of Indigenous Australians in the justice system.

> Speaking in the wake of video footage of an Aboriginal teenager being kicked to the ground by a NSW policeman, Paul Francis-Silva, whose uncle died in a Sydney prison in 2015, said: "It does happen here in Australia - the brutality, and the injustice against the First Nations people.”

You could also agree Australians are full of racist, evil cops as well, yes? Or is picking a few extreme examples not allowed for your country?

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3. missos+H5[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-04 01:20:13
>>seibel+s3
You're comparing single-digits per decade incidents which incite national outcry, with triple-digits per year incidents which are taken as a fact of life in the US. And you're trying to set a narrative that somehow those are comparable. They are not.
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4. prawn+he[view] [source] 2020-06-04 02:48:16
>>missos+(OP)
A key difference is almost surely the prevalence of guns. As you suggest at the end, cops in Australia don't approach every situation assuming there might be a gun in play.
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5. jiggun+Cg[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-04 03:11:25
>>missos+H5
Regarding single digits vs triple digits: absolute metrics are pretty useless unless the US population is the same size as AU.
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6. emikul+0s[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-04 05:03:09
>>jiggun+Cg
In relative metrics, the US is still worse off by an order of magnitude. :(
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