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1. chadla+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-06-02 18:18:08
That, and the journalists are literally there to record evidence of their abuse. Police don't like it too much when you record evidence of them, say, beating a peaceful protester, or forcing a weapon into the hands of someone already pinned to the ground.
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2. imperi+N1[view] [source] 2020-06-02 18:25:47
>>chadla+(OP)
Where have you seen cops forcing weapons into the hands of someone on the ground? I haven't seen that.

Definitely seen excessive use of force against seemingly peaceful protesters, but context is everything, and a 10 second snippet does not tell the full story of the interactions between that protester and that cop for the 45 minutes leading up to those 10 seconds.

I tend to reserve my judgement on those types of videos, since cops have been also taking a beating in the last few days with bricks, rocks, water bottles, etc... thrown at them off camera or before those clips start, where the convenient "editing" is done to portray the cops as the "bad guys" when often they have spent the last hour being insulted, assaulted and injured before they decide to move in with force on that "peaceful" protester...

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3. aphit+B2[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 18:29:17
>>imperi+N1
See here: https://v.redd.it/m62sz14qmc251
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4. Someon+I2[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 18:29:27
>>imperi+N1
> Where have you seen cops forcing weapons into the hands of someone on the ground? I haven't seen that.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/01/cop-put-baton-george-floyd-pr...

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5. Loughl+63[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 18:30:28
>>imperi+N1
So the video of the man being held down and a baton being forcibly placed into his hand, is the one I'm assuming you're calling out.

What possible context would make that okay? In what possible scenario is putting a man's hand on a weapon for the sole purpose of harming him reliant on context?

These are not meant at all to be snarky, these are my very real questions, because I'm confused by your statements.

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6. smiley+R3[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 18:33:29
>>imperi+N1
In Atlanta, our excessive force on Saturday evening didn't literally force a weapon into someone's hands, but several officers have now been charged, and one of the discovery items was common post police incident reports of a weapon, even though no body cam footage mentions a weapon and no weapon was found.

It's a case of officers committing perjury as to the events that occurred to figuratively put a weapon into the scene.

The DAs slides https://twitter.com/wsbtv/status/1267843835889156097/photo/1

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7. hmcdon+T3[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 18:33:32
>>imperi+N1
There is definitely a video from a day or two ago of a cop on top of a protestor with his hand pinned to the ground the cop then moves his baton under the hand of the protester and keeps it pinned on top. He proceeds to then punch his hand trying to appear as if he wants him to let go.

Also who gives a shit if they just got verbally harassed for an hour. I don’t get to lose my shit and delete a project because someone keeps submitting bad code. Why do cops get to lose their temper when their job is to keep the peace and enforce the law. Learn to control yourself and do your job or find another profession.

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8. tacLog+h5[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 18:38:17
>>imperi+N1
Not saying I can verify this is real or even from recent events. But I think this is the video he is referring to: https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/guqzyg/the_...
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9. Danilo+O5[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 18:40:11
>>hmcdon+T3
>> Also who gives a shit if they just got verbally harassed for an hour.

This statement is emblematic of the fundamental problem affecting our culture.

I hate excessive violence. I hate excessive force. I can’t take anyone seriously if they argue that bad behavior doesn’t matter. Your 8 hour day in retail or at the office is not the same as working law enforcement during a riot.

It is entitlement or stupidity.

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10. imperi+l7[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 18:46:14
>>Loughl+63
I didn't say it was OK I said I hadn't seen it personally. It is obviously not OK.
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11. daniek+v7[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 18:46:50
>>imperi+N1
Baltimore Cops Carried Toy Guns to Plant on People They Shot, Trial Reveals (2018)

That's institutionalized malice aforethought in my book.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xvzwp/baltimore-cops-car...

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12. kevinm+j8[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 18:51:00
>>Danilo+O5
If an officer is going to respond to hurt feelings with violence after some hour-mark, then:

1. police forces need to limit their time, and forces that do not need to held accountable

2. they need to not be police

They _need_ to be held to a higher standard than everyone else.

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13. at-fat+z9[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 18:56:51
>>hmcdon+T3
>> Why do cops get to lose their temper when their job is to keep the peace and enforce the law. Learn to control yourself and do your job or find another profession.

TITLE 18, U.S.C., SECTION 242 DEPRIVATION OF RIGHTS UNDER COLOR OF LAW

Acts under “color of any law” include acts not only done by federal, state, or local officials within the bounds or limits of their lawful authority, but also acts done without and beyond the bounds of their lawful authority; provided that, in order for unlawful acts of any official to be done under “color of any law,” the unlawful acts must be done while such official is purporting or pretending to act in the performance of his/her official duties. This definition includes, in addition to law enforcement officials, individuals such as Mayors, Council persons, Judges, Nursing Home Proprietors, Security Guards, etc., persons who are bound by laws, statutes ordinances, or customs.

This means Chauvin could say he was acting under the "color of law" when he attempted to restrain George Floyd and during his restraint is when Floyd died. Because Chauvin was acting as a police officer and not a legal citizen, it was within his official duty as a police officer to apprehend someone who is breaking the law.

However, in the initial part of the statue, it clearly states:

This law further prohibits a person acting under color of law, statute, ordinance, regulation or custom to willfully subject or cause to be subjected any person to different punishments, pains, or penalties, than those prescribed for punishment of citizens on account of such person being an alien or by reason of his/her color or race.

This also means the prosecution can simply say that Chauvin was a known racist and violent around black people and his restraint was not an approved technique for restraining or arresting someone, therefore, based on those facts, the prosecution can make a compelling case that Chauvin attempted to use "color of law" to cover his willful infliction and in doing so, deprived George Floyd of his civil rights while doing so.

The shorter answer is yes, they can lose their temper because it might be required in the application of their duties as a police officer and officer of the government for which they serve. No, in that they cannot abuse that power and use "color of law" to deprive someone of their civil rights under the constitution.

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14. short_+M9[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 18:57:50
>>imperi+N1
There's fault on both sides without a doubt, but I think this flare-up is culmination of a systematic discrimination against a race and a long string of unaddressed and unpunished misconduct on behalf of certain policemen.

I really feel sorry for the people in uniform who are genuinely trying to make a difference, when the few bad apples make sure that nobody can have nice things.

Something had to give though. There are only so many blatant crimes that can be committed by police only to go unpunished before people say Enough!

Worst of all, we are not talking about crimes that can be repaid or repaired. Murder is the ultimate crime in some sense as (ignoring religion) it's irreversible and the loss the victim and their loved ones have suffered is the ultimate loss that we can never undo.

The callousness and carelessness with which these crimes were carried out and the complete lack of remorse or even acknowledgment from leading figures in police unions is basically just more fuel on the fire.

The countless acts of kindness and compassion of (I assume) the majority of officers is unfortunately drowned out by these bad examples.

Something has to change. The police force clearly does not have the ability or will to solve this problem on their own.

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15. Danilo+1b[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 19:04:09
>>kevinm+j8
No disagreement
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16. btbuil+nb[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 19:06:09
>>imperi+N1
https://www.reddit.com/r/awfuleverything/comments/gv57ho/phi...

maybe maybe

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17. linsom+df[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 19:24:02
>>hmcdon+T3
Nurses get verbally abused and harassed far more commonly than you might imagine, in extremely stressful, typically 12 hour shifts, and you just don't hear about them responding with brutality. Source: My wife and many of her friends are nurses.
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18. FpUser+Co[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 20:02:53
>>at-fat+z9
>the unlawful acts must be done while such official is purporting or pretending to act in the performance of his/her official duties

This is probably the most disturbing thing I read about law enforcement. To me it translates into following: as an officer acting under "color of law" I am free to loose my temper and kill whoever the f..k I want for any reason as long as I am not doing it based on color/race/whatever. All I have to do is to "pretend to act in the performance of my duties".

Can somebody correct me if I am wrong (I sincerely hope I am).

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19. jcranm+Zy[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 21:08:13
>>FpUser+Co
My understanding is that "color of law" merely refers to the state of being where a person is acting in an official capacity. It imparts no legality or illegality of actions per se, but statutes might criminalize or decriminalize activity based on whether or not a person is acting under color of law.

What GP is referring to is a provision in the federal law that specifically criminalizes police activity undertaken under color of law. (Reading the statute, in this scenario, the police officer can be charged up to and including the death penalty).

As far as I'm aware, states' statutes for murder or manslaughter do not protect people acting under color of law.

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20. FpUser+p41[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-03 00:32:48
>>jcranm+Zy
>*As far as I'm aware, states' statutes for murder or manslaughter do not protect people acting under color of law.

Phew. thank you. Hopefully maiming is not protected as well.

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21. Mouse4+W71[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-03 01:01:13
>>Danilo+1b
Then what was your point? You might as well delete your comment.
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22. Danilo+9B1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-03 05:59:20
>>Mouse4+W71
My point is there is not enough empathy going around and it still stands.
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