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1. baybal+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-06-02 10:20:15
Not insightful at all.

> after all these years and with all development in surveillance tech distinguish between peaceful demonstrators and rioters. One could almost believe that they have no interest in making that distinction.

The thing is that they can. That's a very deliberate tactic, down to planting of provocators.

If you been watching what's going on around the world, the allegations of that, including provocator planting, followed pretty much every major demonstration event.

It's naive, if not silly, to use that "hey, he started it first!" argument at the time when the fact of confrontation happening is already obvious.

The talk now should not be who started the violence, but how to end it, a peace treaty to say.

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2. kelvin+jl[view] [source] 2020-06-02 13:33:57
>>baybal+(OP)
Exactly.

There exists an asymmetry in the dynamics of protesters vs police during a protest. Very simple:

Anyone can be 'planted' in a group of protesters to start stirring up trouble (agent-provocateur). Then the police have 'justification' to use whatever amount of force they think is required.

On the other hand, it's practically impossible for a regular citizen to be embedded into a riot police response unit.

Add to that the police have practically no real oversight and investigate themselves (assuming internal affairs counts as police).

One side can't fail (except morally), while the other side always will end up with the shorter end of the stick.

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3. mc32+Lz[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 14:58:30
>>kelvin+jl
People also can counter plant and plant someone to feign being a first level plant to be able to point out that the violence was instigated by a plant. Both sides can and do do that.
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4. kelvin+RD[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 15:21:22
>>mc32+Lz
This changes nothing to the end result. One side (Police) still has a major advantage.
5. david3+e11[view] [source] 2020-06-02 17:13:49
>>baybal+(OP)
This is a gross oversimplification. I have family members in law enforcement. In most cases it’s very difficult to tell the people apart. People can barely identify a single thief, unmasked, caught on camera, yet somehow they have these god-like powers to identify troublemakers who weave through the crowd of protesters, all masked?
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