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1. alexas+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-06-02 03:23:37
It takes just a few rotten apples on the side of the protestors to make it go violent.

It also takes just a few rotten apples on the side of the police to make it go violent.

Protesting is largely a modern witch hunt. It lets people blow off some steam, rather ineffectively in the modern protest case, because you don't get to burn anyone alive at the end of it. Enough people long for that witch hunt finale, and that's why protests turn violent so often, it's the modern day equivalent of burning a witch.

I don't know if protestors realize that it is up to them to come up with ways of fixing systemic issues they're upset about (people in power are fine with the way things are, by definition) - burning down your local neighbourhood or yelling out in the streets can only lead to the powers that be going 'ok fine, go find some witches to burn to appease this mob'. It's never going to fix actual systemic issues, but perhaps burning witches is good enough, given our history, and going in circles indefinitely is the way of this species.

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2. shigaw+x2[view] [source] 2020-06-02 03:49:56
>>alexas+(OP)
>It's never going to fix actual systemic issues, but perhaps burning witches is good enough, given our history, and going in circles indefinitely is the way of this species.

Counter point - the Civil Rights Act of 1968. People pay attention when they are forced to. I won't pass a moral judgement as it's not my place, but nothing will change until force is applied. I think that is the lesson history teaches.

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3. akisel+e3[view] [source] 2020-06-02 03:56:56
>>alexas+(OP)
Protests are an opportunity for those in power to fix things before the protests escalate. They were fine with things as they are now it has escalated. Burning witches might not be enough this time.
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4. malnou+X5[view] [source] 2020-06-02 04:25:31
>>alexas+(OP)
Boston tea party

Haymarket riots

Black Friday suffragette riots

Martin Luther King Jr riots

Stonewall riots

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5. SV_Bub+i8[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 04:51:39
>>malnou+X5
You’ll want to remove Boston Tea party from that list. Extremely non-violent event. They broke one pad lock, didn’t steal any tea, and bought the yard a new padlock the next day.

It wasn’t a “protest” in any comparable way to this.

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6. alexas+w8[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 04:54:01
>>shigaw+x2
Well it depends on where you think we ought to be going - then we can then decide what history is teaching us :)

History written in textbooks tends to teach the narrative that was sponsored. Modern pop-history tends to teach what will sell the most copies, so history is teaching us all kinds of selective facts about life.

Regarding force - force needs to be applied for anything to move - that's just a fundamental law of physics :) The question is where and how do we apply force and in what quantities?

My stance is that witch hunting did not solve the issue of witches causing droughts, scientists along with engineers and people willing to work today, for a better tomorrow, solved hunger in many places of the world.

Now imagine somebody that does believe that his or her witch hunt of year 1543 did fix drought for a decade in his/her town. What evidence could you possibly provide to convince them otherwise? They know there was no drought for ten years, they know they burned a witch in 1543. Now if there is a drought ten years later, clearly we just didn't burn enough witches!

This is the difficulty in dealing with people who rely on emotion, not cold hearted rationality, to solve problems. Cold hearted rationality has its dangers too and one can argue until the cows come home that we may have been better off never industrializing, never inventing agriculture and sticking with hunter gathering, at one with nature and all. Not me, I like hot showers, anti-biotics and all the other modern amenities too much. I'm in the rationality over emotion camp. The people out there protesting I'm guessing are in the other camp and that's totally fine with me.

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7. slumos+Yf[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 06:10:09
>>SV_Bub+i8
“That evening, a group of 30 to 130 men, some dressed in the Mohawk warrior disguises, boarded the three vessels and, over the course of three hours, dumped all 342 chests of tea into the water. ... The property damage amounted to the destruction of 92,000 pounds or 340 chests of tea, reported by the British East India Company worth £9,659 worth, or $1,700,000 dollars in today’s money. The owner of the two of the three ships was William Rotch, a Nantucket-born colonist and merchant.”
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8. skoczn+NA[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 09:47:36
>>akisel+e3
How do you fix those things? What are the protesters demands? Are there any concrete demands other than "f* rich people" and "f* capitalism"?
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9. voganm+nN[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 12:11:23
>>skoczn+NA
This doesn’t seem to be a question in good faith, but in the event you genuinely don’t understand: the protests are about police brutality and violence.

Protestors don’t have the authority to police themselves, but you seem to want to trivialize their cause because you disagree with the actions of some.

Wanting an accountable police force that does not brutalize those they are sworn to protect is a reasonable request.

End qualified immunity.

The fact that there has been a large amount of violence committed by the police against peaceful protestors and press serves to generally support the cause of the protestors. There is a large amount of video evidence you can see for yourself as well as many protestors have been interviewed repeatedly.

Perhaps listening and reading instead of asserting or injecting your own uninformed opinion would lead to more answers.

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