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1. xupybd+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-06-02 00:55:36
This could be very dangerous. If miss information leads to people distrusting the US government based on lies. But worse this could be a bad case of the boy crying wolf. Of the government does ever start taking these crazy authoritarian measures who will trust the information reporting it?
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2. trhway+M[view] [source] 2020-06-02 01:02:47
>>xupybd+(OP)
>If miss information leads to people distrusting the US government based on lies.

if only there were government sources that people could trust. Say a twitter of the POTUS ... Though may be the POTUS hiding in the bunker from his countrymen just doesn't have the real information, only his own fears, hate and discomfort of wet pants.

Can you imagine an alternative Universe where, instead of hiding from, POTUS comes out on the balcony to the people and makes a speech unifying and healing the nation?

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3. jachee+U[view] [source] 2020-06-02 01:04:33
>>xupybd+(OP)
Isn't having a loose association of slightly-organized people who vehemently oppose fascism be declared as a "terrorist organization" already starting down the authoritarian path?
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4. tiles+Y[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 01:05:02
>>trhway+M
You mean a Press Secretary? What we used to use before Twitter?
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5. pingpo+c2[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 01:15:29
>>jachee+U
They don't oppose fascism. Antifa is literally fascism and differs only in its mandate of which speech is allowed and which is not. Indeed the mechanism which you see in all totalitarian movement, from Nazis to ISIS. It's completely at odds with democracy and free speech.
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6. tareqa+e2[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 01:15:41
>>tiles+Y
The President of the United States still has a Press Secretary who still presents press releases to journalists and takes their questions. They probably also manage the official Twitter account for the White House.

Edit/Update: one thing we do have to remember is that the President is tweeting with his own personal Twitter account.

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7. dicknu+A2[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 01:17:55
>>jachee+U
It's dangerous, even if it has no teeth.
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8. jachee+33[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 01:21:43
>>pingpo+c2
The mission statements of every Antifa group of which I'm aware start with "Protect peaceful protests from violent counter-protestors."

Where do you get your information from?

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9. depend+j3[view] [source] 2020-06-02 01:23:48
>>xupybd+(OP)
> If miss information leads to people distrusting the US government based on lies

You do not need lies to distrust the US government. They do a fine job by themselves (and have been doing so for decades).

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10. happyt+e7[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 01:56:33
>>pingpo+c2
This has not been my experience with antifa. This seems to mostly be a strategic opinion championed almost exclusively by the people who hate them as part of the social politics "war".
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11. klyrs+A9[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 02:14:10
>>dicknu+A2
Unlike those upstanding citizens who brandish guns on the capitol steps...

Funny story about that, open carry is illegal in Washington state because the BPP did that exactly once.

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12. xupybd+VG[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 07:40:14
>>jachee+33
It's the it's okay to punch a NAZI that I don't like. I think it's only okay to use violence in self defence or the defence of others. Not as a method of combating an ideology.
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13. thunde+md1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 13:17:40
>>xupybd+VG
Ok you don’t like it, but how does it compare to having open Nazis marching in your country (presuming you’re American)? Surely you dislike that a lot more?

Ideally we don’t have people punching genocidal racists because they don’t exist to punch. But if they exist and they’re marching in the streets, often protected by a police force which is (certainly now) quite obviously full of far right-wing violent authoritarians, I’d have other priorities than condemning the anti-fascist.

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14. Animal+kQ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-02 16:47:22
>>thunde+md1
You may not like it, but in this country, if they're not punching people, they have the right to march.

I disagree with Nazis. I abhor their ideology. I also disagree with punching peaceful marchers, even if they espouse a hateful ideology. "I'm going to use violence to take away your right to peaceful demonstrations" is also an ideology I despise.

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15. jachee+mhf[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-07 04:15:55
>>xupybd+VG
Nazis—by simply existing as a hateful-rhetoric-fueled, racist organization—are threatening to the lives and livelihoods of others.

Punching them is just proactive defense of those others.

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16. jachee+zhf[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-07 04:18:03
>>Animal+kQ1
The Paradox of Tolerance[0] begets a proactive response.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

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