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1. hkai+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-06-01 18:50:27
Perhaps some of your criticism is valid, but would you rather have Obama or Trump?

I think we rarely can choose between perfect and imperfect; we have to choose between two imperfects.

Both on the left and on the right, many people have to hold their nose and vote for the person they despise.

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2. clairi+T1[view] [source] 2020-06-01 19:01:12
>>hkai+(OP)
and the problem there is that the system is designed to present only 2 imperfect choices, so that the 2 parties can seize and hold power. they'd rather begrudgingly share power with each other than let any others join them in the sandbox. and both parties have been co-opted to serve the wealthy, not the people, hence their imperfection.
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3. hkai+d4[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-01 19:13:34
>>clairi+T1
I think that level of disillusionment is a bit dangerous, because I've seen people starting to support the Chinese way of governance because they say the American one is broken.
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4. clairi+Mj[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-01 20:33:13
>>hkai+d4
please don't presume a state of mind. a lazy response might be "obliviously complacent" and then we get nowhere. you could leave out the direct reference, such as "I think disillusionment is a bit dangerous, because..." (although you still need to tie in the relevance of such a statement) and still make a similar argument that better elicits a charitable response.

but that argument is presumptuous and fallacious as well. being disillusioned doesn't lead most peole to support single-party, state-controlled communism. being insulated and comfortable does lead to complacency and being out-of-touch however.

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5. gotoel+Lk[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-01 20:37:48
>>hkai+d4
Haha how delusional do you have to be to think the US is worse than a communist kleptocracy that dabbles in death camps?
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6. Aviceb+Rz[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-01 21:55:37
>>gotoel+Lk
Because we also have a kletptocracy where the government is designed to serve the wealthy, it's not about being worse by any margin, it's about pointing out what needs to change.
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