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Leaked Amazon memo details plan to smear fired warehouse organizer

submitted by minima+(OP) on 2020-04-02 19:58:39 | 429 points 114 comments
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14. throwa+26[view] [source] 2020-04-02 20:35:29
>>minima+(OP)
This article's title is sensationalist. Based on the article's content itself, there doesn't seem to be anything in here about "smearing" at all.

Definition from https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/smear...: "to publicly accuse someone of something unpleasant, unreasonable, or unlikely to be true in order to harm their reputation"

Second definition from https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/smearing: "the making of false statements that damage another's reputation "

From the article itself, which quotes meeting notes written ostensibly by "Amazon General Counsel David Zapolsky":

> “He’s not smart, or articulate, and to the extent the press wants to focus on us versus him, we will be in a much stronger PR position than simply explaining for the umpteenth time how we’re trying to protect workers,”

This statement from the notes is not accusing the former employee in question of anything, and it is not making false statements about him either. It is expressing an opinion. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Furthermore, this article and others from Vice, Vox, Huffington Post, and others are proving why Amazon does not want to explain for the "umpteenth time" what they are doing in response to the virus. There is only so much that can be done within the confines of a physical operation like an Amazon warehouse, and it is crucial that online stores keep operating at this time, so that shoppers stay home.

And yet, all these articles make it seem like Amazon has done nothing. In actuality, apart from providing industry leading wages for warehouse workers, Amazon has increased baseline pay, overtime pay, and enacted numerous reasonable changes to alter the operations of their warehouse. Vice buries one of the most interesting bits, which is how Amazon has been trying to get PPE but has had difficulties:

> Zapolsky’s notes imply the company’s attempts to purchase N95 masks from China fell through. “China has deemed N95 masks as ‘strategic,’” Zapolsky wrote. “They’re keeping them for optionality. They also want to use them for ‘diplomacy.’ The masks in China that we thought we had probably got redirected by profiteers.”

Even the "protests" outside Amazon's warehouses in response to this news story are overblown. For instance https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amazon-fires-chris-smalls-walko... notes that although activists claimed there were 50 employees protesting, the actual count was 15, and only 9 of those were Amazon employees. Yet mainstream left-leaning media keeps amplifying this story.

In actuality, it appears Amazon has been continuously attempting to improve working conditions, and were finally able to get masks based on orders they placed weeks ago - well before the recent social media / left-leaning journalists' attacks on Amazon began. See https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/02/amazon-begins-running-temp... for more on that:

> Amazon has already described some precautions it’s been taking, including mandatory paid 14-day quarantines for employees who test positive, as well as increased cleaning and sanitation efforts of facilities and infrastructure. The new measures to be introduced next week include taking temperatures of employees at the entrances to warehouses, with any individuals with a fever of more than 100.4 degrees Fahrenheit to be sent home, where they’ll have to have three consecutive days without fever to return to work. Employees will also be provided with surgical masks starting next week, the company says, once it receives shipments of orders of “millions” placed a few weeks ago.

Lastly, everyone seems to ignore that this employee violated a direct work order to not come on site, because he had been in contact with someone who tested positive for COVID-19. Regardless of what people speculate about Amazon's reasons for firing this person, no one seems to be disputing that this employee violated a requirement to not come to the work site. That is clearly grounds for termination, irrespective of other considerations.

So can we please stop sharing these low quality articles over and over on Hacker News?

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20. Smoosh+H8[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-02 20:46:46
>>voz_+U4
You might like to read this opinion article: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/01/amazon...
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22. binary+4b[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-02 20:57:53
>>j4nt4b+N2
If admissible, this may be evidence in a wider case for a labor law violation. The NY Atty General was notably unhappy about what had transpired: https://www.npr.org/2020/03/31/824423595/new-york-attorney-g...

...Until events unfold more, we cannot speculate as to the charges (if any) will be brought against Amazon.

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25. throwa+Bb[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-02 21:00:36
>>Dubiou+I8
That's a good point. I can't say whether we've ever hit the mark on that generally. However, old news broadcasts (you can find them on Youtube) do seem a lot less emotional and more neutral. They probably still had their biases; I am unsure. However, I feel like HN is often sources from outlets like Vox and Vice, both of which are recognized as having a strong bias (see https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-ratings). We can at least do better, even if we can't be perfect.
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33. imglor+Je[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-02 21:16:50
>>binary+4b
NYAG also called for NLRB to weigh in, which isn't going to happen. They've been offlined at the worst time.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/nlrb-suspends-unionizing-am...

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51. oh_sig+rm[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-02 22:12:52
>>nitrog+qj
This is exactly what I worked on ~10 years ago at amazon, embedding steganographic information into a certain internal app that reported confidential sales numbers. Ended up catching the person who leaked this: https://techcrunch.com/2011/10/04/leaked-sales-data-puts-kin...
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77. Dubiou+4w[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-02 23:46:35
>>maland+6u
So I watched the Cronkite stuff and it seems pretty similar to this.

https://youtu.be/VDv3_KfdBs4

So is your gripe generally applies to all contemporary journalism or specifically with CNN and Fox News? Isn't it just as likely that legacy news sources are still doing the news pretty much the way they always have but that the availability of alternative sources has allowed people to diverge their opinion from a mainstream one more than they could before? (Which I'm not saying is good or bad. I think it likely has benefits and drawbacks.)

82. ipsoca+gF[view] [source] 2020-04-03 01:33:58
>>minima+(OP)
Called it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22740540
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89. thosmo+pQ[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-03 04:26:47
>>gentle+Ah
https://cancelprime.com
90. thosmo+PQ[view] [source] 2020-04-03 04:34:19
>>minima+(OP)
We the customers can exert influence on its ethics and character by engaging in a consumption strike. Put your money where your ethics are.

https://cancelprime.com

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91. A4ET8a+XQ[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-03 04:37:28
>>pas+nu
I dug through my hdd and for the life of my I could not find the ones I was thinking of ( maybe it is time to finally tag my stuff properly ).

I looked online and I was only able to find one example of what I was thinking of ( https://awwmemes.com/i/spreads-message-of-anti-capitalism-fr... ). The one I remember was equally silly along the lines of "hates banks, uses money = hypocrite".

I will keep digging, because I know what I am looking for and it is not ancient history. I should have it somewhere.

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105. A4ET8a+Rx1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-03 13:38:20
>>Darkne+Kj1
I am not saying that I know for a fact that this particular meme was concocted by a PR firm, blessed by an internal department and rolled out on imgur, 9gag, 4chan and anywhere else it could find fertile ground. I do not have access to that kind of records. That said, by now it is publicly available knowledge that lobbying firms were proposing ways to handle OWS(1).

I do remember it popping up in a lot of places with anti-OWS message and I just found it interesting in terms of timing and how the subject was basically designed to be hated at the time. Like I said, it is this meme template. I can't find the one with exact wording, which is why it got my attention back then. It does not help that I don't remember the exact phrase.

I will add as a general note that memes are ridiculously easy to create and disseminate en masse. You can obviously create metric ton of variants and see what sticks best. To your point, they can be done Fox News types, Apple-haters, dog-lovers, apple pickers, you name it and tracking its origin can be genuinely hard.

1.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2063843/Occupy-Wall...

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108. Dubiou+EQ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-04-03 15:25:23
>>Captai+b91
See, I agree with everything up to that last sentence. Because from what I can tell most people who say that just have a different idea of which media outlets that are the problem.

I think in some respects we're better off now. An outlet like The Intercept couldn't exist 40 years ago. They have a clear bias but some of the stories they break are huge and are exactly the kind of thing the NYT in its heyday would've sat on.

Our old media system had the benefit that it helped create a fairly singular truth for people to follow. But it created what I think was equal to the massive lying you are concerned about by just not reporting on lots of stuff.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/06/why-doe...

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