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If Amazon wanted to win immediate trust and lasting goodwill, they should secure suppliers for "Amazon's choice" cotton surgical masks, providing priority service to hospital systems in regions of need, but also (publicly), their own warehouse and delivery workforce. They have the leverage, analytics, and supply chain to make it happen.

Edit: We need to provide enough masks so that people don't feel like they are depriving the hospital system. Also, we need more corporations in America to step up and set an example, protecting their workers and customers. People should stay home, but when they have to venture out (or are needed for work), they should be wearing masks!

>>tcbawo+(OP)
I'm pretty sure cotton masks offer little to no protection. What you need is a n95 respirator.

>>eloff+z
It will help if everyone wears it. The asymptotic infected will reduce their spread as it will stop them spreading it.

>>christ+W
That's a bit of a pipe dream. It's better for people to just stay at home as much as possible. Everyone can do that regardless of the availability of masks.

>>eloff+z
What hospitals need are N95 respirators and surgical masks. A family member of mine is a doctor at a large hospital system. They have a mask shortage and have been encouraged to use scarves and t-shirts if necessary. Plain cotton masks would offer considerable benefits if everybody began wearing them in public. Countries in Asia, where it is common for everyone to wear masks have a lower R0 value.

>>eloff+x1
People need to stay home, but they also need to go to the grocery store, bank, or other essential activities. When they do, they should be wearing a mask.

>>tcbawo+62
> Plain cotton masks would offer considerable benefits if everybody began wearing them in public

This goes against the current WHO recommendation

> If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with suspected 2019-nCoV infection.

>>dehrma+h8
Their guidance does not seem to suggest that people should not wear masks in public, nor does it comment on the effectiveness of doing so.

From their site:

  If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with suspected 2019-nCoV infection.
  Wear a mask if you are coughing or sneezing.
  Masks are effective only when used in combination with frequent hand-cleaning with alcohol-based hand rub or soap and water.
  If you wear a mask, then you must know how to use it and dispose of it properly.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2...

>>dehrma+h8
The WHO recommendations are meant to preserve a limited supply of masks for where they are needed most. It's not because masks are ineffective

>>dehrma+h8
I think people talk past each other a lot on this issue because there's a conflation of population-level versus individual-level decision-making and benefits. The recommendation that you cite is worded for individuals; population-level benefits are simply out of scope.

>>tcbawo+13
I think we know that's just not going to happen in general. It's been impossible to buy masks for weeks.

>>christ+W
This is the main reason some conuntries, such as the Czech Republic, made masks mandatory in public.

Also if you are protecting others from your ilness, a sinpler home made mask is enough to greetly limit possible spread.

>>eloff+Ol
You can make your own from a piece of clothe - there are thousands of people doing just that all over Europe, making masks for themselves, their family and friends.

>>dehrma+h8
The "masks don't help" campaign is well-intended disinformation aimed at preserving medical masks for medical practitioners.

It is now proven that people with no symptoms spread the virus. Breathing virus into a cotton sheet is obviously safer than breathing on other people, despite being far from perfect.

>>eloff+Ol
A tea towel/dish cloth mask catches 70% of virus sized, a vacuum cleaner bag 85% particles as against 90% for surgical masks.

Professional and Home-Made Face Masks Reduce Exposure to Respiratory Infections among the General Population

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2440799/

>>tcbawo+(OP)
This is what government is for...

WTF are we spending all this money for military, which has their own suppliers, logistics etc if they can't help us.

Additionally our intelligence agencies should have been "blowing the whistle" when Trump downplayed the issue for 2 months.

>>all_bl+0s
I believe this 100% to be true. Considering that under certain conditions the virus can stay in the air for up to 3 hours, masks definitely are helpful.

>>1337bi+A51
> I believe this 100% to be true.

Based on what evidence exactly?

> Considering that under certain conditions the virus can stay in the air for up to 3 hours, masks definitely are helpful.

Those conditions being using a Goldberg Drum designed to keep aerosols that can't stay airborne for as long as possible? If yes then yeah sure this virus can survive in the air for 3 hours, but that isn't normal reality. It can't stay aloft that long, it will hit a surface.

Goldberg Drum: https://academic.oup.com/aje/article-abstract/68/1/85/188529...

You really only need the mask if you're going out and symptomatic. Even then, as noted, leave the masks for the people that are encountering sick people daily. They need them way more than you do walking around buying groceries.

>>mitcht+1b1
Your position is just another that has yet to catch on to the fact of asymptomatic transmission. There are countless sources indicating this is happening. Just take the time to read one.

>>fma+6U
It's all conjecture for now, but I consider this a huge failing of the IC. Makes you wonder what they're actually focused on if it isn't protecting the American public.

EDIT: Maybe the more likely answer is politician(s) didn't listen.

>>tcbawo+(OP)
Why are we paying almost a trillion dollar in taxes if the government can’t get its shit together and we have to rely on mega corporations.

When looking at Wuhan news, everyone is wearing a mask. How did they make that happen for millions of people. Singapore mailed 4 masks per household. South Korea nearly tested every citizen.

Sure China is an authoritarian government but we can’t deny it can do manufacturing and logistical wonders.

The corporate greed and govt incompetence clearly shows when COVID-19 hit us (usa). It will dip our economy way harder than it will hit China.

Could someone share if China is also doing massive stimulus and billions of dollar bailouts?

>>yellow+ie1
I don’t wonder, because their actions have been making “the American public” less safe and more surveilled for decades. They are after the same thing all military intelligence services are after: power and control.

>>all_bl+Ab1
> Your position is just another that has yet to catch on to the fact of asymptomatic transmission. > Just take the time to read one.

This isn't my position, its from virologists. And I'll thank you to not presume I don't already know of those sources. Those aren't relating to aerosols in the air for 3 hours.

Listen to practicing virologists on the matter not me: http://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-592/

And as a note, I'm really resisting not getting pissed off at your comment which seems to presume I'm too dumb to know about asymptomatic transmission.

Perhaps you could, I don't know link to some bioarxiv sources or actual information rather than alluding to things. My comment was exclusively in regards to the virus surviving in aerosol form for 3 hours. Its a contrived environment where that can happen. Transmission in the air isn't what I am discounting. Capiche?

Actually forget about it. I'm just going to stop commenting entirely on this matter.

>>all_bl+0s
But using general masks to stop a virus is like wearing a volleyball net to stop gnats. (In reality, the size disparity is far more extreme than that.)

>>mitcht+uh1
The CDC itself says cotton masks (bandanas, scarves) help:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/ppe-strategy/f...

>>masoni+pz1
Viruses live in droplets. Droplets are greatly reduced by cotton masks (that's why they feel damp after a while).

>>masoni+pz1
From what I have heard, a large part of the benefit is that it actively interferes with people casually, constantly and mindlessly touching their face.

Sort of like those cones we put on the necks of dogs to control some of their behavior when they have medical stuff happening.

>>nojvek+Ge1
We are blowing it all on the stupid military when we could have been spending it on cutting edge medical research. We spend trillions blowing stuff up instead of spending trillions searching for ways to improve our health and lives.

>>Doreen+Jg2

  it actively interferes with people casually, constantly and mindlessly touching their face

Oh, I absolutely agree. And I see its value as not so much "actively interfering" like a Cone of Shame but by serving as a constant reminder against touching hands to face. (Eyes are highly vulnerable but are unprotected by masks.)

>>nojvek+Ge1
This government is run by people that believe mega corporations should pay no tax[1], under the impression that the mega corporations are better suited to fulfill the needs of society.

Will this philosophy survive a pandemic?

1. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/16/these-91-fortune-500-compani...