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Not clear why you needed to put 'female' in your statement. Are you implying Google's actions are a result of their gender?

>>anonus+(OP)
They organized the woman's walkout, so it seems relevant to mention that they were women facing retaliation for protesting the treatment of women.

>>anonus+(OP)
Are you implying that their actions cannot be gender biased?

>>mffnbs+L
I mean, they can be, but is there any reason to believe they are? Have male leaders of similar protests been treated better? Surely it's not right to infer gender bias just because the victims are women.

>>KirinD+B
Imho it isn't relevant. The implication of OP is that the fact that they are female paints Google in a bad light, not that they were protest leaders.

Corporations do not care about gender, it's all about power and control, and they do not care about the gender of those who they have to dismantle to keep it.

The Canadian Documentary "The Corporation" is a good example of how corporations behave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y888wVY5hzw

Dividing Media narratives help to keep people from realizing who's their common enemy.

>>user17+P2
Why is talking about how women are treated differently in the workplace somehow dividing narratives?

And saying corporations do not care about gender is just wrong. Because corporations protect people who harass women. I'm rather baffled by all of the outrage going on because the article mentioned the person was a woman.

>>user17+P2
If a set of powerful men use the interests to said corporation to enrich themselves at the expense of women who are there, then it is definitely a sexism issue.

I appreciate the economic arguments you are hinting at, but they are not incompatible with the notion that sexism was at play. We know, factually, that executives Google broke the law and then we're paid large sums of money to leave.

You cannot easily disentangle these power dynamics. Nor should you, because corporations are just large groups of people with special legal permissions from the government. The idea that interpersonal conflict would go away and such an environment seems to contradict the facts and hand.

>>KirinD+g5
Evidence over supposition.

I have no problem with the claim in the face of evidence. I just don't see any here.

>>anonus+Q5
What precisely are you asking evidence for? I can't work it out.

are you asking for evidence that there was high profile examples of sexism at Google? That essentially went unpunished? That's all the matter public record.

Are you asking for evidence that the people who have been forced out helped organize the women's march?

>>SpicyL+A1
> I mean, they can be, but is there any reason to believe they are?

Yes, there is: women stepped forward.

> Have male leaders of similar protests been treated better?

Men either haven't experienced the same, or they are keeping their mouth shut.

In both scenarios, women should be supported. If men step forward, so should they. They didn't so far (or at least, not in large enough numbers for such a protest to be reported), so based on the data we have available to us, the problem affects women way more than it affects men.

>>r3bl+I6
I don’t really understand the response. Is your claim that, if something bad happens to a woman without simultaneously happening to a man, that automatically makes it a gender bias issue?

>>SpicyL+A1
There haven't been male leaders of a similar protest (that is, a protest claiming repeated sexual harassment). At least, not to my knowledge...

>>SpicyL+x8
You do understand it, you just refuse to understand it.

But to answer your question, yes. If enough women were affected that they felt compelled to step out, and men didn't, that's clearly a gender bias issue.

>>r3bl+Jf
Would you please stop posting in the flamewar style to HN? You've done that repeatedly in this thread, including crossing into personal attack. That helps nothing and only makes this place worse, regardless of how bad another comment is or how right you feel you are.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

>>KirinD+g5
There is "sexism" on both sides. Powerful women use it against powerless men, and vice versa.

Ignoring one aspect over the other won't lead to lasting solutions. Since more men are leaders than women (men are naturally inclined to be leaders), the percentage of men enriching themselves at the expense of women is accordingly.

Google Protest has also been going on for many things that aren't related to gender, for example AI and their China project.