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1. cltsan+(OP)[view] [source] 2019-07-02 19:34:26
Next time when you buy a burner phone, please try to be more conscious.

Huawei is likely one of the companies that contributed to this very Xinjiang endeavour [0].

Even if it's not directly related, by buying a Huawei phone, you are voting with your money to support a company that's been hurting innovation with IP theft through the years [1].

[0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/05/25/huawei-ac...

[1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/huaweis-yearslong-rise-is-litte...

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2. curiou+q3[view] [source] 2019-07-02 19:56:34
>>cltsan+(OP)
> Huawei is likely one of the companies that contributed to this very Xinjiang endeavour

The article you cite just says that they supplied networking equipment, how is that different than, for example, U.S. conecetration camps using Dell laptops? Would you also blame Dell?

I swear whenever China/Huawei is mentioned on HN, the comments transform into a huge propaganda machine.

replies(3): >>aejnsn+j4 >>cltsan+s4 >>artifi+N8
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3. aejnsn+j4[view] [source] [discussion] 2019-07-02 20:01:44
>>curiou+q3
That's a rather unfair comparison, and softens the harsh reality of Huawei's actions. Dell didn't sell the laptops with the intent of them being used for that purpose. China says jump and Huawei jumps to build whatever state-sponsored surveillance tooling they need. That's not how it works with Dell, Cisco, Juniper, etc. Remember the stories about network devices being intercepted via parcel services?

I'd bet I can make you never buy another IBM product. :)

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4. cltsan+s4[view] [source] [discussion] 2019-07-02 20:02:25
>>curiou+q3
You may have missed this paragraph from the article:

> Huawei said they would "provide industry-leading products and services... to build a safer and smarter society with the public security department of the autonomous region." Three months later, the company launched the Huawei Urumqi DevCloud to "promote the development of the software information industry in the district and all of Urumqi."

If that's not enough, please read this another article also from forbes [0].

[0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/04/25/huawei-xi...

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5. Kalium+N5[view] [source] [discussion] 2019-07-02 20:12:47
>>aejnsn+j4
I'll offer you good odds that Dell, Cisco, Juniper et al happily sell equipment to companies and agencies they know are likely to be used to break security systems and harass undocumented migrants.
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6. artifi+N8[view] [source] [discussion] 2019-07-02 20:34:43
>>curiou+q3
Not sure if it makes it right but people have cited IBM during WW2. It's odd that one complains about propaganda while parroting propaganda (U.S. concentration camps) but that's 2019 for you.
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7. logifa+NR[view] [source] [discussion] 2019-07-03 05:58:18
>>aejnsn+j4
> China says jump and Huawei jumps to build whatever state-sponsored surveillance tooling they need

We'll see your Huawei and raise you AT&T

"The NSA considers AT&T to be one of its most trusted partners and has lauded the company’s “extreme willingness to help.” It is a collaboration that dates back decades [...] The NSA exploits these relationships [..] commandeering AT&T’s massive infrastructure and using it as a platform to covertly tap into communications processed by other companies."

https://theintercept.com/2018/06/25/att-internet-nsa-spy-hub...

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