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1. anovik+(OP)[view] [source] 2018-09-12 09:01:42
Education - sure. The only purpose these masses can serve is acting as genetic pool for picking the best and uplift them through education. A permanent caste-like system is doomed as next generation of it won't be as performing as the previous one. But we have to understand that only a small majority - a few percent - of the poor will be uplifted. The rest has to be kept at bay in one way or the other.

As for fortress thing - you are exaggerating. There isn't so much crime around these days, much less than 30-40 years ago when things were still going fine according to the article.

In the end, it's just the technology change. 40-50 years ago uneducated masses who were members of solid middle class have been factory workers. They are automated away. There isn't anything which could be done about this. Besides, exactly 40-50 years ago, during Jimmy Carter era, same things were said about farmers who found themselves displaced with great improvements in farming productivity. History just repeats itself.

And yes, classes must be sustainable and moving between them should be difficult, only through exceptional personal (genetic) abilities and a lot of effort. Otherwise they are not classes, just people gambling and some of them winning.

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2. jmicke+z5[view] [source] 2018-09-12 10:15:37
>>anovik+(OP)
But what is your end goal? What purpose does this caste system serve?

History has shown that once people no longer believe they have a fair chance of achieving prosperity, they revolt. So, even ignoring any other characteristics, your way of social organisation is not stable in the long run.

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3. anovik+Bj[view] [source] [discussion] 2018-09-12 12:36:41
>>jmicke+z5
How do you define 'fair'?
4. ahakki+RS[view] [source] 2018-09-12 15:57:19
>>anovik+(OP)
> The only purpose these masses can serve is acting as genetic pool for picking the best and uplift them through education.

This is just social darwinism. Not rly a recipe for sucess I can tell ya.

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5. anovik+hn3[view] [source] [discussion] 2018-09-13 16:03:52
>>ahakki+RS
But this is what every society just becomes, unless someone tries to forcibly skew it otherwise, to the detriment of economic growth, thus worsening outcomes for everyone. This isn't some 'policy' i am suggesting. This is just what the world is. See EU countries who are trying to do otherwise, only outcome is somewhat lower crime and even that is temporary because too many savage immigrants come to feed on unlimited free stuff. Their economies are hopelessly stuck.
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