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1. leavey+(OP)[view] [source] 2018-09-12 09:01:16
What I find amazing is that so few people here notice the consequences of working hard in a field that is not worth it anymore. His entire family should have slowly "pivoted" away from fishing long long time ago (the first/second year with a low ROI for the risk). The same applies to IT or any other sector. When the prospective ROI turns negative (subtract the total costs of your job(time/health/opportunity) from the total salary) you are basically as rich as someone selling their kidneys but you only find it later.
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2. fzeror+N[view] [source] 2018-09-12 09:09:16
>>leavey+(OP)
Let's say for example Software as a whole suddenly crashed. It's now one of the worst paying jobs you can possibly get, while being a coal miner jumps up as one of the most profitable jobs. Would you immediately sign up and start working in the mines? Would you be physically fit enough for it?

There are large amounts of cultural and career inertia that you have to overcome to 'pivot' your career towards something wildly different. Not everyone can pivot towards something better especially as times change, education changes and people change. My father never graduated highschool and for him, fishing paid better than other opportunities. It was the same for my step-father.

It was also all that they knew how to do. There were few retraining programs (that they couldn't afford even if they could) and to them, their career was their life. Their friends did it, their parents did it. It was their entire identity.

What I'm doing is effectively the pivot away from the family career. It doesn't change the fact that it left a generation in the dust.

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3. leavey+q2[view] [source] [discussion] 2018-09-12 09:30:07
>>fzeror+N
My whole point: things rarely "suddenly crash" but you still have to keep an open eye and connect the dots and take action or at least advise your kids and help them take action. I totally agree that there is a lot of cultural and career inertia (I have a similar story like you but in different context and part of the world).
4. mch82+j6[view] [source] 2018-09-12 10:25:44
>>leavey+(OP)
Except wouldn’t human society collapse if everyone “pivoted away” because it turns out we like eating fish, etc.?

Is it possible wages often don’t reflect the value of the work people do?

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5. leavey+18[view] [source] [discussion] 2018-09-12 10:48:52
>>mch82+j6
>>Except wouldn’t human society collapse if everyone “pivoted away”

No. The human society would not collapse if there were fewer fishermen. The fact that the fishermen are so badly paid even if they work so hard, to me is a clear indication that the human society does not value their effort and it would be probably better if they would put their efforts into something else.

>>Is it possible wages often don’t reflect the value of the work people do?

I agree, there is often little correlation between the wage and the value of the work but the rational workers should optimize for the wage not for the value of the work if they don't want to be poor.

6. jlawso+3E2[view] [source] 2018-09-13 08:00:37
>>leavey+(OP)
I had the exact same thought but I didn't want to muddle my main point with it.

The immediate alternative that came to my mind is trucking. I have a relative who pivoted from factory work into trucking and working with heavy machinery in his 50's, after the factory jobs dried up. Though he definitely had hard times, it is certainly doable and beats dying or getting crippled working for pennies.

Though far from a cushy job, trucking seems comparable to fishing (e.g. you're away from home for a long periods, doesn't require much education) without the danger and backbreaking nature of the work.

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