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1. plainO+(OP)[view] [source] 2018-08-17 06:45:11
I think your tale begs the question: How will your son's (or any other child's for that matter) notion of personal privacy be shaped by the use of technology from a very early age? I think we'll have to wait and see, as this will be highly interesting.
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2. cinque+p2[view] [source] 2018-08-17 07:19:36
>>plainO+(OP)
Hasn't technology throughout the ages always reshaped notions of what people consider valuable and not valuable, with some people choosing to hold onto prior notions and others newer ones (possibly because they benefited more from such)?

To me the biggest issue is the relative one way economic (let us set aside the intangibles, because one cant feed themselves on such) proposition of these devices (upfront cost of "paying" [more like renting since its default locked in to a provider] for the device, and the free "work" people provide with their queries). Reminds me of the proposition of the collect your dna as a service companies.

I guess the incentives of everyone running an instance of sphinx, and sharing models/feedback error corrections continuously with each other in the background with the ubiquity of torrenting now and decreasing reliance on the Amazons in the middle isn't here yet.

3. hrktb+8c[view] [source] 2018-08-17 09:47:03
>>plainO+(OP)
Fair question. I wonder if it might change much thought, depending on the frame of reference.

I think a lot of us grew up with siblings in the same room. Rooms didn’t lock. Parents not looking but knowing all too well what’s going on. Schools reporting on behavior by phone or by letter that as a kid you didn’t get to see.

I think for me the notion of ‘privacy’ was just being left alone with no one bothering me. It’s only as an adult that I have a clear perimeter where no one should be able to step in. In that regard having a lot of your doings leaked to parents might not be that impacting.

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4. harrym+5n[view] [source] [discussion] 2018-08-17 12:16:01
>>hrktb+8c
> In that regard having a lot of your doings leaked to parents might not be that impacting.

I disagree. It was super stressful/impactful to me as a child. Knowing my parents would be called for misbehavior at school put undue stress on me all day after getting “an orange ticket” or later, detention. I’d get punished at school then punished worse at home.

Once, in first or second grade, my uncle divulged some petty thing I said to him in passing to my parents leading to a sit down talk. I was uncomfortable and angry. This damaged my trust.

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5. gumby+zq[view] [source] [discussion] 2018-08-17 12:53:45
>>hrktb+8c
...I think a lot of us grew up with siblings in the same room. Rooms didn’t lock.

Indeed, but those were your family members. You knew them well and there was context, for good or ill.

But in this case the device is a bunch of strangers. Perhaps no one stranger listening in, but everything being processed off site and added to the profile Amazon or Google is building about you.

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6. feocco+7w[view] [source] 2018-08-17 13:43:04
>>plainO+(OP)
I don't think this is a new development, privacy in voice assistants is the equivalent of your browser's search history. If anything, that made me more conscious of privacy than anything else.

Our kids know I can see anything they ask. As well as any time spent on devices. I don't see this as very different from my upbringing. And I haven't noticed any regression in trust.

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7. feocco+Fw[view] [source] [discussion] 2018-08-17 13:48:23
>>gumby+zq
The device is not a bunch of strangers. There's no humans listening to "your" conversation. Though they may be listening to anonymized clips. The activity stored is also your own to control.

I think such privacy concepts are too abstract for a child to be concerned about. You'd be hurting their view of technology and enforcing an idea of Big Brother if you were to teach them a voice assistant is a bunch of strangers listening to you.

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8. crafty+EM[view] [source] [discussion] 2018-08-17 16:07:54
>>feocco+7w
That's not the same at all.

It is (was?) easy to control your browser's history. It is impossible to control what these devices send to google/amazon.

Your browser's search history only gets populated when you, well, search. These devices are collecting information 24/7, regardless if you are actively engaged with them.

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9. gumby+GO[view] [source] [discussion] 2018-08-17 16:21:13
>>feocco+Fw
I think facebook+cabridge analytica et al, and google's collection of location data even when the user opts out (just to name two), shows that it really is a bunch of strangers listening to you.
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10. feocco+N98[view] [source] [discussion] 2018-08-21 18:02:50
>>crafty+EM
I don't think your last statement is accurate. While the device is "listening" for the trigger words, it's not storing information. It only collects information you call upon it for. You do need to actively engage. I have not seen evidence of otherwise.
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