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>>srid+(OP)
People for whom gender is part of their identity are covertly hostile towards people who don't care. The people that are expelled are never those who have pronouns in their bio's. Respecting (=affirming) gender identity is part of every CoC.

Just a feeling. I have no proof.

>>bluefl+ee
While I believe one should not put their gender into their identity, the vast majority does, and is also not hostile towards those who don't care, and you can't really ignore gender-related issues and discrimination of current society right now because, while I think it ought not be, gender is a big deal and you can't ignore this.

And, It should go without saying, respecting one's identity is the least we can do, including the gender since it's in there. Except, of course, for horrible stuff, but surely gender is no such thing.

Actually, while I don't care about my gender, if you are not ready to respect my fellow human beings and their identity, I don't really want to have to interact with you.

When you say "not caring", do you mean "Can't be bothered to use pronouns people wish to be referred to" or "don't mind being called with whatever pronoun?" Because the phrasing is ambiguous and two of the possible meanings are radically different things.

>>jraph+zg
Actually they are hostile if you are non-conforming (not all but many enough that its a problem). This results in the discrimination you speak of.

At this point im not sure if socially constructing your identity is that common outside of your teenage years.

>>bluefl+yh
So to clarify, you mean cis people caring too much about their gender being hostile towards LGBTQIA+ people / people not caring about their gender and causing discrimination?

then I'm with you, a part of the problem is there.

Actually this doesn't match your first sentence, trans people pretty much care about their gender. I believe only a part of the non conforming people don't care about their gender.

Anecdote but as a cis male not caring about his gender, I never quite felt hostility against me in particular (against the male gender, sure, but I understand this hostility)

>>jraph+hi
No. Read my posts again. I didn't say "cis" or "trans".

>>bluefl+xm
I know you didn't but at this point I don't understand what you mean, or I'm really wrong on my interpretation on your use of the "non-conforming" qualifier.

I'm confused by your comments so I'm trying to clarify by making things more explicit.

To me, "non-conforming" here means LGBTQIA+. "cis" is the closest thing to "conforming". "trans" is pretty much "non-conforming". I suspect we are not agreeing on this. What do you mean by "they" and "non-conforming"? If we don't agree on those words, it most likely follows that I don't agree with your following sentence "This results in the discrimination you speak of."

>>jraph+gu
I did not mean "non-conforming" like having a non-conforming identity. I meant "non-conforming" because im ignorant of the expectations of my peers and i transgress their expectations unintentionally. I sort of do not have a mental concept of masculinity and femininity so my transgressions bring no discomfort to me, but to some others.

This is very abstract. An practical example: Answering "How would i know?" to "What are your pronouns?" will get you this kind of covert hostility.