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1. Aurorn+84[view] [source] 2023-12-27 14:26:49
>>ssgodd+(OP)
The arguments about being able to mimic New York Times “style” are weak, but the fact that they got it to emit verbatim NY Times content seems bad for OpenAI:

> As outlined in the lawsuit, the Times alleges OpenAI and Microsoft’s large language models (LLMs), which power ChatGPT and Copilot, “can generate output that recites Times content verbatim

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2. iandan+rb[view] [source] 2023-12-27 15:06:58
>>Aurorn+84
Arguing whether it can is not a useful discussion. You can absolutely train a net to memorize and recite text. As these models get more powerful they will memorize more text. The critical thing is how hard is it to make them recite copyrighted works. Critically the question is, did the developers put reasonable guardrails in place to prevent it?

If a person with a very good memory reads an article, they only violate copyright if they write it out and share it, or perform the work publicly. If they have a reasonable understanding of the law they won't do so. However a malicious person could absolutely trick or force them to produce the copyrighted work. The blame in that case however is not on the person who read and recited the article but on the person who tricked them.

That distinction is one we're going to have to codify all over again for AI.

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3. cudgy+Th[view] [source] 2023-12-27 15:41:51
>>iandan+rb
> Critically the question is, did the developers put reasonable guardrails in place to prevent it?

Why? If I steal a bunch of unique works of art and store them in my house for only me to see, am I still committing a crime?

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4. solard+Gk[view] [source] 2023-12-27 15:59:26
>>cudgy+Th
Yes... because you're stealing?

But if you simply copied the unique works and stored them, nobody would care. If you then tried to turn around and sell the copies, well, the artist is probably dead anyway and the art is probably public domain, but if not, then yeah it'd be copyright infringement.

If you only copied tiny parts of the art though, then fair use examinations in a court might come into play. It just depends on whether they decide to sue you, like NYT did in this case, while millions of others did not (or just didn't have the resources to).

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5. asylte+VP[view] [source] 2023-12-27 18:51:05
>>solard+Gk
Yes and OpenAI sells its copies as a subscription, so that’s at least copyright infringement if not theft.
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6. anigbr+RV[view] [source] 2023-12-27 19:25:01
>>asylte+VP
They're not copies, no matter how much you want them to be.
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7. asylte+gH1[view] [source] 2023-12-28 00:13:48
>>anigbr+RV
They are copied. If I can say something like “make a picture of xyz in the style of Greg rutkowski” and it does so, then it’s a copy. It’s not analogous to a human because a human cannot reproduce things like a machine can. And if someone did copy someone artwork and try to sell it, then yes that would be theft. The logic doesn’t change just because it’s a machine doing it.
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