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1. acabal+Zc[view] [source] 2023-05-18 15:44:13
>>amathe+(OP)
I've been railing against cars in the US for years and years. The thing is that today most people in the US under the age of 60 grew up in cars, usually in a suburban environment, and it's actually impossible for them to imagine what life without a car might even look like. It's like trying to describe a color. If we can't even visualize an alternative, how are we supposed to achieve the alternative?

Only by traveling to places that were developed before cars took a chokehold on the world can people realize how nice it is to live without them absolutely everywhere.

Many Americans get a taste of that when they vacation to Europe. They often choose to leave their suburb and spend their 2 weeks in urban environments like Barcelona, London, Munich, Paris, Rome, etc., that where built for people and not cars, because it's so pleasant to live like that, and because letting cities develop for people first leads to cities that people actually want to be in, with car-free streets, plazas, promenades, etc. (Yes, today those places are also full of cars. But, unlike American cities, their skeletons are people-first and cars are the invasive element.)

It could be argued that so many problems of American life - weight gain, loneliness, fracturing of the social fabric - stem from how we've isolated ourselves in unwalkable suburbs, where there's no spontaneous social interaction because everyone's always in a car, and where our only exercise is the walk from the parking lot to our desk.

What's depressing is visiting developing countries and seeing them start to ape the worst of American car life. Places like Colombia, which I visit often, are building shopping malls, big-box stores, parking lots, suburbs, and freeways, while after almost 100 years of that type of car-first development in America we're only just starting to realize that actually it might not be that great.

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2. lotsow+sw1[view] [source] 2023-05-18 21:56:57
>>acabal+Zc
I dunno. I’ve been to all of those European cities and they were nice to visit for a week as a tourist but the density along with everything that goes with it: noise, smells, crowds etc were always a reminder that I only want to be there on a brief visit. I’m my suburban city, I simply hop in my vehicle and can be anywhere I want in 3-15 minutes.
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3. diggin+xz1[view] [source] 2023-05-18 22:11:41
>>lotsow+sw1
A well designed city makes most errands faster on foot than in a car.

Even when cars are prioritized, traffic makes even the smallest errands a problem eventually; roads simply don't scale.

And cars are by far the loudest thing about cities at almost all times. They make the very air hostile with pollution and heat. And, worst of all:

> I simply hop in my vehicle and can be anywhere I want in 3-15 minutes

You do this at the direct expense of everyone else in your city. You make the streets unwalkable and the city unlivable. You are insulated from the sounds and dangers that you are creating around you. (I'm just using you as an example, I don't actually blame you for taking the only option you've been given.)

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4. ilyt+GI1[view] [source] 2023-05-18 22:57:55
>>diggin+xz1
IMO the default mode of transport should be scooters. They don't take all that much space than a person(unlike car) but (like car) can move far faster

The infrastructure is all here already. They pollute less (ICE) and the no pollution electric ones are far more affordable than EVs. Like 4 of them fit in one parking space. They have storage space for some small groceries too.

Sadly winter and rain sucks.. i guess at least for rain those scooters with roofs could cover that.

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5. rad_gr+GM1[view] [source] 2023-05-18 23:20:31
>>ilyt+GI1
Yeah. Screw scooters. People riding those don’t care about pedestrians. I’ve been knocked out by one of those things. They’re more dangerous than cars. Cars at least move on designated roads while scooters just zip past pedestrians and can come from anywhere at any time.
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6. alista+tS1[view] [source] 2023-05-19 00:00:16
>>rad_gr+GM1
They’re talking about Vespas not Razors.
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