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>>dtagam+(OP)
The thing that really makes things worse is that the police are causing most of these protests and riots with their violent, unwarranted behavior.

This triggers riots and protests, which require the police to work overtime.

They get paid for causing all these problems, and well paid. Their overtime costs must be tremendous. And who ends up paying? We do.

We should claw back police overtime pay for any protests or riots that are caused by the police themselves. I think that's fair and equitable.

>>jennyy+1j
Don't throw all police officers into one bucket.

You have some outliers that are violent and the rest just does their job - keeping the city more safe.

Also don't assume all cases of police officer shooting a person are cases of police brutality - this is for court to prove.

>>krzyk+Oz
If this would be the case, the rest would report the violent ones, would testify against them and violent ones would be removed. This would happen in cases where is no video and no public outcry.

That it does not seem to be happening unless there is video and public outcry suggest the issue is cultural and institutional, not just individual. The good cop is not reporting bad cop and is not testifying against him. Maybe the good cop would be retaliated against, maybe nothing would be done, and all of those are reasons why bad cops are empowered.

>>watwut+kA
Would you report your fellow in company that e.g. goes late to work? Or uses corporate assets (printer, laptop) for personal things?

This is similar, if you know someone you have less incentive to report on one.

The better you know them, the higher is the bar for reporting.

>>krzyk+AP
No, someone showing up late to work and someone else violently beating or murdering a citizen is not the same thing. At all.

Those two scenarios are so far apart, attempting to draw a comparison is disturbing.

>>ashton+JX
OK, let me make it more clear.

Let's assume two cases:

1. A programmer, his work involves programming (obvious), going to meetings, printing some reports/codes etc.

The biggest problem he can do is introduce bugs in code by mistake (yes, lives can be lost that way), would you expect his peers to tell on him that he was the guy that introduced a bug that killed 300 people in a plane crash?

2. A cop, his job involves preventing crimes, event violent ones, so he sometimes need to use his gun to prevent some of it, and sometimes he has to shoot a criminal.

His mistakes might be killing innocent person. Same thing can happen to his colleagues, so they protect him (just like any sane community would, like your family) - at least unless he turns out to be some sick sociopath.

Do you see relevance now? If you play with code you can just break code, if you play with guns you can break lives.

A side from that I don't get it why there are so many people that trash cops, but don't say a bad word about looters.

Cops protect us from crimes, small and big. They provide order, there are always black sheep, but there are less of those than you think - good guys also make mistakes.

Without a force that provides protection from crimes we would turn into vendetta like justice - have you been to countries that just went out of war? e.g. after the fall of Yugoslavia, there was no police there only tribe and vendetta justice.

Each utopia turns into dystopia sooner or later (CHAZ).

>>krzyk+Jq2
Your example excludes intent.

If I thought my coworker had deliberately introduced a bug that killed 300 people, I would absolutely turn them in. There is absolutely no question in my mind that I would do that.

But cops do not turn in their own when they deliberately abuse their power. They in fact resign in protest when their own are investigated (Buffalo, NY), and turn out in support when their own are arraigned for abuses of power (Philadelphia, PA).