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>>dtagam+(OP)
I know politics isn't the usual HN topic, but I think this goes beyond politics at this point. Until I saw this list, I had no idea how out of control this situation has gotten here.

I'm saddened for my country and hope that this can be a turning point for all of us.

>>dtagam+4
Is it out of control though? The police has 700K members in the US. Millions of daily interactions with people of all kinds. All you could find is 400 cases from ALL the years. And I guess the claim is brutality wasn't justified in every single case. In reality there are not 400 cases on that list, and in many cases the violence was justified.

I'm not saying the police doesn't do wrong, they absolutely do. We have examples of rapes, unjustified murders and beatings, entrapment. They are extremely rare. I think last year the police in the US killed 9 unarmed black men and 21 unarmed white men.

>>buffer+f7
> Is it out of control though? The police has 700K members in the US. Millions of daily interactions with people of all kinds. All you could find is 400 cases from ALL the years. And I guess the claim is brutality wasn't justified in every single case. In reality there are not 400 cases on that list, and in many cases the violence was justified.

400 ... where there are videos. We know that until a video emerges these get swept under the rug, so I'm willing to bet that there are a fair few more than 400 examples of police brutality.

>>kingof+Da
I agree that there are more than 400, we know that just by the number of people getting shot.

Now, how many are unjustified? That's the important question.

>>buffer+ob
An important question, and a simple answer: all cases of police misconduct and brutality are unjustified.

>>espere+tr
That's blatantly false.

How do you stop someone pointing a gun at the police officer without brutality?

How do you stop someone attacking a police officer?

How do you stop someone going for their gun?

How do you stop someone going around shooting innocent people?

etc, etc, etc.

>>buffer+QM
Is there a term for the type of response that, instead of furthering the discussion, just tries to overwhelm you with questions?

>>espere+SP
So you can't answer 4 simple questions. So you pretend to be overwhelmed. Got it.

>>buffer+251
The answer to your questions is that those are not examples of police brutality, so long as the police respond with reasonable force.

Along with reading your other comments here, I viewed these 4 questions as a bad faith attempt at steering the conversation off topic. When people complain about police brutality, we are not talking about the times when police have to legitimately defend themselves or disarm someone. This thread is specifically about the hundreds of clearly documented examples of unprovoked violence by police in the US over the last few weeks, many of them against journalists, elderly people, kneeling protestors and so on. Please engage with that and don't try to change the subject again.