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1. murbar+04[view] [source] 2019-07-02 15:29:33
>>el_dud+(OP)
The US is forcing its tourists to give away a list of all their social media accounts and all their email accounts. If you're a foreign journalist writing pseudonymously for your safety, you must now share that information with the US government to enter the country. This isn't quite on the level of forcing people to install malware on their phone yet, but give it a couple years.
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2. folkra+N6[view] [source] 2019-07-02 15:48:18
>>murbar+04
They already can force you to give up physical access to your phone, which is basically the worst option.
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3. saagar+A7[view] [source] 2019-07-02 15:53:12
>>folkra+N6
They can't force you to unlock it, however.
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4. pjc50+T8[view] [source] 2019-07-02 15:57:59
>>saagar+A7
Well, they can confiscate it and/or deport you if you don't.
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5. saagar+A9[view] [source] 2019-07-02 16:01:18
>>pjc50+T8
Sure. If you're not a citizen, they can also probably hold you for a while too. But I don't think they can compel you to unlock the device.
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6. fao_+yf[view] [source] 2019-07-02 16:37:41
>>saagar+A9
> for a while

Not just a while. The US Patriot Act gave powers to allow border controls to hold people indefinitely without cause.

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7. advent+rs[view] [source] 2019-07-02 17:50:17
>>fao_+yf
Please produce at least several prominent examples of that actually happening to tourists over the last decade.

The US is a massive country that ~75 million foreigners visit each year. In 2018 that figure hit an all-time record high near 78 million, which is in curious contrast to your setup premise.

With so many people visiting the US every year, you surely can produce a very large number of examples of toursts being held indefinitely - for many years even, one imagines - without cause.

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8. fao_+4fb[view] [source] 2019-07-08 00:43:38
>>advent+rs
The simple answer here is that unless the US government is going to provide statistics, then there is almost no data, and there can be almost no data, because of the nature of the accusation.

Holding people indefinitely without need of cause, and without a clear legal way for them to communicate with other people, there can be no information on this. It's like asking for pictures of the inside of a black hole, or a message when you reach the area that causes your phone to explode. And on the way out? They can force them to sign anything to say that it didn't happen.

Yes, this does sound very conspiracy-esque. But we're talking about a country that tried to assassinate Castro 600 times, and several times poison him to make his beard fall out. Doesn't that also sound crazy? We have clear evidence that the US has these powers, and thanks to guantanamo and what's currently happening in the ICE camps, we have clear evidence that they will use that sort of legislation when it suits them. Even if it clearly violates international and domestic human rights laws.

Another answer is that the sheer sum of people that that is happening to, doesn't matter. It's the fact that the government has granted itself those powers in the first place, that matters here.

As an analogy, I don't care that nobody in the camp has hit my child over the head with a large stick, I care that they have gone to the pain of stating, in their code of conduct and in the contract of attending the camp, that they can hit my child over the head with a large stick if they wish, with no repercussions, and that my child is responsible. Do you see?

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