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1. boverm+M3[view] [source] 2019-07-02 15:28:12
>>el_dud+(OP)
The title is a little misleading, as it's a region of China and not the entirety.

However, the implications are still ominous.

I'm curious, how did China develop into such a police state? Anyone able to point me to some reading on the subject?

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2. pjc50+mb[view] [source] 2019-07-02 16:12:44
>>boverm+M3
China was never really not a police state of some sort. The ancient Imperial system broke down at the dawning of the modern era, and the Kuomintang "Republic of China" arose to replace it. It never managed to achieve either internal security or nationwide fair elections, and got into an extremely brutal fight with Communist insurgents. The communists were forced into retreat (Long March) during which most of them died - but the survivors, Mao among them, were inured to brutality. Eventually the Communists won on the mainland, leaving the Kuomintang in control of the island we now call Taiwan. The shooting stopped but the war is still officially in progress, hence all the weirdness around recognising Taiwan.

The key to Communism in the Maoist approach was absolute central control and the sweeping away of all obstacles; if you stood in the way of, objected to, or even were insufficiently enthusiastic about its plans you would be murdered.

Economic control was gradually loosened in the latter half of the 20th century, but political control remains tight.

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3. 0815te+5d[view] [source] 2019-07-02 16:22:41
>>pjc50+mb
> China was never really not a police state of some sort.

Even ancient Imperial China was very much like this. To the point where China basically had no such thing as a legal system in the Western sense! The only kind of dispute resolution was mutually-assured destruction via criminal-like prosecution, basically "If I think you've been trying to cheat me out of something, I can get government goons to beat you up, for theft or whatever." And the government goons often beat up both disputants, for good measure. It's surprising that they even managed to build a halfway-functioning society and keep it going for thousands of years, out of such crudities.

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4. Burnin+de[view] [source] 2019-07-02 16:29:06
>>0815te+5d
But that's what's interesting about China!

It's an alternative civilization!

The last 30 years we've seen it develop at a rate that is obviously impossible given the experience of all other countries. Yet this, very different, country does it.

It's good to have diversity in governance systems and be able to see the different outcomes, even from systems everyone "knows" shouldn't work.

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5. pjc50+Je[view] [source] 2019-07-02 16:31:46
>>Burnin+de
How is it "obviously impossible"? Most of the developed countries went through rocket growth phases at some point.
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6. m4rtin+ii[view] [source] 2019-07-02 16:53:21
>>pjc50+Je
Yeah, for example Japan had crazy rate of growth for quite a while after WW2.
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7. Burnin+qu[view] [source] 2019-07-02 18:03:01
>>m4rtin+ii
Japan already was a rich industrialized nation before WW2.

China was one of the poorest countries on earth in the 1980s.

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8. pjc50+aQ[view] [source] 2019-07-02 20:19:17
>>Burnin+qu
China was a nuclear power since 1964. Part of the reason Nixon had to go there in the first place.
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